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20VC: Lessons from Investing $2BN and Returning $8BN in Cash | Why Most Venture Partnerships are Broken | We Sold Salesforce Early and Lost Out on Billions | Are The Best Deals Always Expensive and Competitive with Jake Saper @ Emergence Capital

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Mar 10, 2025

Jake Saper, General Partner at Emergence Capital, discusses his firm's impressive track record of investing $2BN and returning $8BN. He shares insights about their early investment in Zoom and the critical importance of market dynamics over mere traction. Saper also delves into the changing landscape of SaaS metrics and the significance of retaining customers. He highlights the existential concerns around AI and encourages companies to aim for becoming board discussion topics, all while revealing lessons learned from their early sale of Salesforce.

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INSIGHT

AI's Trough of Disillusionment

Widespread AI adoption will likely be followed by a "trough of disillusionment."
Some AI projects will fail to deliver value, and potential misuse of AI agents could cause backlash.

INSIGHT

The VC Merry-Go-Round

Venture capital's "merry-go-round" of partner departures harms founders through orphaned deals.
Emergence Capital grows partners internally, ensuring long-term founder support and reducing orphaned deals.

ADVICE

Managing Public Stock Holdings

Emergence Capital uses inside information from board seats to manage public stock holdings.
They analyze earnings quarterly, deciding whether to hold, sell, or buy based on company performance and macro trends.

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Jake Saper is a General Partner @ Emergence Capital, one of the leading venture firms of the last 20 years. Their many wins include being early investors in Salesforce, Zoom, Veeva and more. In total, the firm has invested $2BN and returned an astonishing $8BN in cash with much more to come.

In Today's Episode We Discuss:

04:45 The Zoom Investment Story

10:21 Founder, Market, Traction: Rank Them

26:37 Why Market Pull is the Most Important Thing and How to Know

27:23 Are the Best Deals Always Expensive?

28:25 What is the One Framework Emergence Use for Every Investment

29:08 Lessons from the 16x DPI Zoom Fund

30:44 Why Does Every Partner Do Reference Calls on Every Deal?

35:16 We Have Lied to SaaS Founders: The Revenue Rules Changed

37:53 Where Will Value Accrue in a World of AI?

41:37 Three Reasons Why AI Will Not Replace Vertical SaaS

46:38 Who Wins in AI: Startups or Incumbents?

50:09 Why Should Every Company Aim to Be a "Board Discussion"

55:12 Why is Jake Worried About AI's FTX Moment?

56:00 What Losing Billions on Salesforce Taught Us About Selling

01:00:07 Why Most VC Partnerships are Broken

01:03:07 Grok vs Anthropic vs OpenAI: Buy and Sell?

01:14:25 Quickfire Round: Insights and Reflections

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