Ep. 266 – Ram Dass and Timothy Leary: Scenarios and Myths

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Dec 9, 2024

Timothy Leary, a psychologist and writer known for his groundbreaking work on psychedelics, reunites with Ram Dass in a lively Harvard gathering. They share insights on their evolving friendship and tackle crowd questions about consciousness, myths, and the future of psychedelics. Expect playful debates about Gandhi versus extraterrestrials and musings on collaborative writing. Leary unveils his Revelations per Minute meter, while both reflect on the transformative power of psychedelics. Their banter reveals deep philosophical ideas interspersed with humor.

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ANECDOTE

Where Do We Go From Here?

An audience member asked about the direction moving forward after the setup provided by Leary and Ram Dass.
They discussed the thinness of the political superstructure and the potential for change.

INSIGHT

Unity Through Form

An audience member questioned Ram Dass's meditation and detachment during the dialogue.
Ram Dass explained that being a conscious being involves caring for others and shared responsibility, leading to unity beyond form.

ANECDOTE

Brotherhood and Kesey

Timothy Leary discussed the Brotherhood of Eternal Love, a group known for drug smuggling.
He also talked about Ken Kesey and the Merry Pranksters' influence, while Ram Dass found Kesey dull.

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At this rowdy Q&A session from their 20-year reunion event at Harvard, Ram Dass and Timothy Leary answer questions and banter about the scenarios and myths surrounding our lives.

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This episode is part three of the Ram Dass and Timothy Leary reunion event at Harvard University on April 23, 1983. Be sure to check out part one, The Explorer’s Club, and part two, No Signposts. In this recording:

Ram Dass and Timothy begin with a little banter about their relationship and how it has evolved over the years.
Dealing with a slightly rowdy audience, they take questions about where we go from here, emptiness and form, the Brotherhood of Eternal Love, and Ken Kesey.
Ram Dass and Timothy both share their thoughts on collaboration and writing as a team, what the future might hold for the use of psychedelics, and whether or not psychedelics cause brain damage. They have a lively debate about Gandhi versus ET.
Ram Dass explores some of the myths and scenarios surrounding our lives. Timothy talks about his Revelations per Minute meter and some of the future possibilities he’s most excited about. They quibble over Ram Dass’ use of the word “God” and make some predictions about the remainder of the 1980s.
The event wraps up with some extended banter about voting, righteousness, and breaking bread with old enemies.

This talk was chosen in celebration of the new book, Dying To Know, which chronicles the epic friendship between Ram Dass and Timothy Leary that shaped generations of seekers. Get your copy today!

“My feeling is that we see through scenarios and myths so much that all we can do from here is be true to our self from moment to moment. Because every time we say, ‘Well, where we go from here is…’ We are already sending a whole structural thing forward.” – Ram Dass

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