
The Art of Longevity The Art of Longevity Episode 87: Karnivool
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Feb 7, 2026 Jon (Jono) Stockman, bassist and founding member of Karnivool, and Drew Goddard, guitarist and songwriter, discuss the 12-year journey to complete In Verses. They talk about staying friends through creative struggle. They explain why the band doubled down on the album as a long-form art, challenges translating studio work to live shows, sequencing and vinyl choices, and touring strategies.
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Collective Pace Trumps Individual Urgency
- Karnivool accepted long album cycles as part of their rhythm, moving at the band's collective pace rather than individual timelines.
- Jon Stockman says group alignment and shared timing determine progress more than individual will.
Finished After Many False Starts
- Drew and the band faced many failed attempts and distractions before completing the record.
- He credits persistence and digging in rather than any single solution for finishing the album.
Album As An Antidote To Short Attention
- Drew Goddard argues the album is an antidote to short-form content and is more important now than ever.
- He wanted a long-form project to help listeners stop and focus amid the age of content.


