The Art of Longevity

The Art of Longevity Episode 87: Karnivool

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Feb 7, 2026
Jon (Jono) Stockman, bassist and founding member of Karnivool, and Drew Goddard, guitarist and songwriter, discuss the 12-year journey to complete In Verses. They talk about staying friends through creative struggle. They explain why the band doubled down on the album as a long-form art, challenges translating studio work to live shows, sequencing and vinyl choices, and touring strategies.
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INSIGHT

Collective Pace Trumps Individual Urgency

  • Karnivool accepted long album cycles as part of their rhythm, moving at the band's collective pace rather than individual timelines.
  • Jon Stockman says group alignment and shared timing determine progress more than individual will.
ANECDOTE

Finished After Many False Starts

  • Drew and the band faced many failed attempts and distractions before completing the record.
  • He credits persistence and digging in rather than any single solution for finishing the album.
INSIGHT

Album As An Antidote To Short Attention

  • Drew Goddard argues the album is an antidote to short-form content and is more important now than ever.
  • He wanted a long-form project to help listeners stop and focus amid the age of content.
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