
So Many Damn Books 148: Backlist: Mark Z. Danielewski (HOUSE OF LEAVES)
Oct 27, 2020
A 20-year return to a labyrinthine metafictional novel and its weird typographic tricks. Conversation about ergodic and 3-D fiction and how layout shapes reading. Nostalgia for early internet fandom and lost online guides. Comparisons to other impossible-space narratives and a dive into horror films and spooky-season reading picks.
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House Of Leaves As A Form-Shift Moment
- Christopher and Drew note House of Leaves transformed publishing by popularising experimental, ergodic fiction around 2000.
- The 20th anniversary highlights how its design and mythos inspired many later writers and artists to try nonstandard book forms.
Typography Forces The Reader Into The House
- The book interleaves a faux-academic Navidson Record documentary with Johnny Truant's footnoted editing, creating layered narratives that require reader navigation.
- Physical typography (color, whitespace, mirrored text) forces nonstandard reading and shapes fear through form.
Follow Footnotes Immediately To Avoid Getting Lost
- Read House of Leaves in the order you prefer: many listeners recommend following footnote references immediately to preserve flow.
- Christopher and Drew each read referenced sections when cited, which helps resolve intentional gaps and puzzles.
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Intro
00:00 • 56sec
Introducing House of Leaves and the 20th Anniversary
00:56 • 2min
Cocktail and Pumpkin Spice Syrup Discussion
02:56 • 3min
What'd You Buy? subscription boxes and new books
06:08 • 9min
House of Leaves: premise and structure
15:23 • 3min
Design, editions, and reading experience
17:53 • 4min
Authorship, metafiction, and reader participation
22:06 • 4min
Early internet fandom and dead links
25:40 • 45sec
Ergodic literature and similar works
26:25 • 4min
Reception, difficulty, and emotional impact
30:16 • 4min
Scariest moments and lasting subconscious effects
34:27 • 49sec
Comparisons: Piranesi and narrative space
35:16 • 3min
Meta moments and the Navidson record's book-within-book
38:00 • 3min
Whether to read more Danielewski
41:01 • 5min
Other horror recommendations for spooky season
45:58 • 4min
Christopher's horror movie initiation
50:10 • 4min
Outro
54:20 • 33sec

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Fake Accounts

Lauren Oyler
Lauren Oyler's 'Fake Accounts' is a satirical novel examining identity, social media performativity, and online anonymity through the lens of a narrator whose boyfriend turns out to be a popular anonymous conspiracy-mongering figure.
The book interweaves personal relationship dynamics with broader cultural critique of internet culture, misinformation, and the ways online personas distort lived intimacy.
Oyler's prose is incisive and often darkly comic, interrogating authenticity and the consequences of living within mediated realities.
'Fake Accounts' engages with contemporary anxieties about truth and authorship in the digital age, offering both emotional specificity and pointed cultural observation.
It has been discussed for its timely subject and sharp, stylish voice.
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The Cipher

Kathe Koja
Kathe Koja's 'The Cipher' is a 1991 cult horror novel about a strange, bottomless void discovered in an apartment building, which exerts a compulsive, dangerous fascination on those who encounter it.
The story follows characters drawn into the Cipher's mystery, with the void acting as both a physical and psychological catalyst for descent and transformation.
Koja's prose emphasizes visceral sensation and transgressive obsession, making the book notable for its unsettling atmosphere and exploration of identity and compulsion.
'The Cipher' earned a devoted readership and influenced later weird fiction writers, despite periods of being out of print.
Its blend of body horror and metaphysical dread continues to make it a recommended title for readers seeking intense, boundary-pushing horror.

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The Once and Future Witches

Alix E. Harrow
Alix E. Harrow's 'The Once and Future Witches' is a historical fantasy novel set at the turn of the 20th century that reimagines the suffrage movement with a reclaimed tradition of witchcraft.
The story follows three sisters who band together to revive magic and use it as a tool of resistance against patriarchal power structures.
Harrow blends political urgency, feminist themes, and folkloric imagination, delivering emotional resonance alongside imaginative worldbuilding.
The novel engages with questions of solidarity, memory, and collective power while offering stirring, lyrical prose.
It was widely discussed for its timely themes and its energetic melding of history and speculative elements.
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The 50-Year Sword


Mark Z. Danielewski
Mark Z. Danielewski's 'The 50-Year Sword' is a novella intended for oral performance, telling a ghost story through interwoven voices and inventive typographic choices.
The book uses color-coded quotation markers and distinctive page design to indicate different speakers, enhancing its theatrical feel.
It compresses a haunting narrative into a lean, intense form that emphasizes atmosphere and voice over sprawling plot.
Widely regarded as a successful experiment in form, it demonstrates Danielewski's ability to align design with storytelling in a way that supports live readings and intimate performances.
The novella is often recommended for readers interested in performative literature and compact, eerie narratives.

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The Fisherman

Chigozie Obioma

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Codex Seraphinianus

Luigi Serafini
The Codex Seraphinianus is an encyclopedia of an imaginary world, created by Italian artist Luigi Serafini in the late 1970s.
The book features bizarre illustrations of flora, fauna, anatomy, fashion, and customs, all rendered in vibrant colors and intricate detail.
The text is written in a unique, undecipherable script, adding to the book's enigmatic nature.
The Codex blends elements of surrealism, fantasy, and scientific illustration, challenging the viewer's perception of reality.
It invites readers to explore a world unbound by logic or familiarity, sparking curiosity and wonder.

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• Mentioned in 8 episodes
The Loop
The 'L' Tracks That Shaped and Saved Chicago

Patrick T. Reardon
Patrick T. Reardon's "The Loop" delves into the history of Chicago's elevated train tracks, exploring their impact on the city's development, economy, and identity.
The book combines urban history, biography, engineering, architecture, transportation, culture, and politics to provide a comprehensive understanding of the Loop's significance.
Reardon reveals how the Loop shaped Chicago's downtown, unified the city, and protected it from the effects of suburbanization.
He also highlights the often-overlooked contributions of key figures like Charles Yerkes and John Alexander Low Waddell.
The book offers new insights into the factors that have contributed to Chicago's unique urban character.

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• Mentioned in 6 episodes
Revolutions


Mike Duncan
Mike Duncan's podcast 'Revolutions' explores historical revolutions, but there is no book with this title.
Duncan is also the author of 'The Storm Before the Storm' and 'Hero of Two Worlds'.

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• Mentioned in 9 episodes
Psycho

Robert Bloch
Published in 1959, 'Psycho' by Robert Bloch is a chilling tale that follows Marion Crane, a woman on the run after stealing money, who checks into the Bates Motel run by Norman Bates.
The novel delves into Norman's split personality and his obsession with his mother, who he believes is still alive and controlling him.
The story is renowned for its shocking twists and exploration of madness, and it was significantly influenced by the real-life case of Ed Gein.
The book was quickly adapted into a classic film by Alfred Hitchcock, setting new standards in violence, sexuality, and deviant behavior in cinema.

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• Mentioned in 34 episodes
Carrie


Stephen King
Set in Chamberlain, Maine, 'Carrie' by Stephen King tells the story of Carietta 'Carrie' White, a 16-year-old girl who is ridiculed and bullied by her peers and abused by her ultra-religious mother, Margaret.
Carrie discovers she has telekinetic powers after a humiliating incident in the school locker room where she gets her first period.
The story unfolds through multiple narratives, including newspaper reports, court transcripts, and personal memoirs, detailing Carrie's transformation from a shy and isolated girl to a force of vengeance.
After being humiliated at the school prom, Carrie unleashes her powers, causing widespread destruction and death in the town.
The novel explores themes of ostracism, bullying, and the psychological trauma experienced by its characters.

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• Mentioned in 13 episodes
Rosemary's Baby


Ira Levin
Published in 1967, 'Rosemary's Baby' is a classic horror novel by Ira Levin.
The story revolves around Rosemary Woodhouse and her husband Guy, who move into the historic and eerie Bramford apartment building in New York City.
As Rosemary becomes pregnant, she begins to suspect that her neighbors, the Castevets, and her husband are involved in a Satanic cult that intends to use her baby for sinister purposes.
The novel builds tension through Rosemary's growing paranoia and her desperate attempts to uncover the truth, culminating in a chilling revelation about her child's true nature.
The book is praised for its masterful blend of psychological suspense and horror, setting the stage for the modern horror genre.
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The raw shark texts

Steven Hall
The Raw Shark Texts is a metafictional and experimental novel centered around Eric Sanderson, who suffers from amnesia and discovers letters from a previous version of himself warning about a conceptual shark that hunts ideas and identities.
This 'Ludovician' shark threatens to erase Eric's sense of self.
The novel blends elements of thriller, science fiction, and postmodern literature, employing visual typography and textual play to convey the protagonist's fragmented mental state.
As Eric navigates his reality, he seeks to understand and confront the forces that are consuming his memories and identity, questioning the nature of language and reality itself.

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• Mentioned in 19 episodes
House of Leaves


Mark Z. Danielewski
House of Leaves is a complex, multi-layered narrative that combines elements of horror, suspense, family drama, and adventure.
The story revolves around the Navidson family, who move into a house that turns out to be larger on the inside than the outside.
The father, Will Navidson, a renowned photojournalist, documents their experiences in a film called 'The Navidson Record'.
The narrative is presented through various layers, including the blind scholar Zampanò's analysis of the film, and the footnotes of Johnny Truant, a tattoo shop apprentice who becomes obsessed with the story.
The book explores themes of trauma, obsession, and the blurring of reality and fiction, using an experimental format that includes fragmented text, footnotes, and unconventional page layouts.

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• Mentioned in 13 episodes
Piranesi

Susanna Clarke
In *Piranesi*, the protagonist lives in a world called the House, a labyrinthine structure filled with thousands of statues, tides that surge through staircases, and clouds in the upper halls.
Through his meticulous journals, Piranesi reconstructs the story of his arrival and explores the House, only to discover messages indicating the presence of another person.
As he delves deeper, he uncovers secrets and confronts the possibility of a world beyond his known reality.

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Griffin and Sabine
An Extraordinary Correspondence


Nick Bantock
The story follows Griffin Moss, an artist living in London, whose life is transformed when he receives a cryptic postcard from Sabine Strohem, an artist from the fictional Sicmon Islands.
As they correspond, Griffin and Sabine develop a deep emotional connection, despite never having met.
The novel delves into themes of loneliness, the power of art, and the blurred lines between reality and imagination.
The unique format, featuring faux postage stamps, handwritten documents, and other ephemera, adds to the book's enchanting and mysterious atmosphere.
Christopher and Drew discuss House of Leaves by Mark Z. Danielewski at 20 years, Drew returning to the house and Christopher there for the first time. Plus, the pleasures of ergodic fiction, 3-D fiction, discussions of the Internet and how it fails us, and horror films and horror novels. It's spooky season, and the episode is bigger on the inside.
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