Most people assume their distance from God is a faith problem. It may be something older — a pattern in the nervous system, learned long before you had words for it, that quietly shapes how close you let God come.

Dr. Geoff Holsclaw and his wife Cyd spent years watching people plateau spiritually and realized the stall wasn't theological — it was relational. This conversation traces how our earliest attachment wounds create an image of God in our own likeness, why trying harder to believe rarely moves us from the head to the heart, and what it looks like to run new experiments in faith that slowly rewrite those patterns from the inside out.

Geoff also unpacks three concrete practices — cultivating joy, naming river and wilderness moments, and silence and solitude — and why the same practice works entirely differently depending on your attachment landscape.

Dr. Geoff Holsclaw is a pastor, theologian, and professor in the Doctor of Ministry program at Western Theological Seminary, and co-author with Cyd Holsclaw of Landscapes of the Soul.

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