As an assistant professor of health management and policy at St. Louis University, Michael Rozier is used to thinking a lot about matters of public health — and finding plenty of reasons for hope. But last week, with COVID-19 case numbers in the U.S. suggesting any end to the pandemic is still a long way off, he took to Twitter to offer some less-than-optimistic predictions. In this episode, Rozier joins host Sarah Fenske for a look at how and why people are — and in other cases aren’t — working to change key social norms during an ongoing pandemic. Rozier, who is also a Jesuit priest, emphasizes that this crisis is still solvable. The conversation also includes comments from acclaimed restaurateur Gerard Craft and St. Louis-based rideshare driver Bob Ell.