BOOK SCIENCE Interview with Dan Flores author of Wild New World
Dan Flores, environmental historian and award-winning author of Wild New World, Coyote America, and American Serengeti, traces 65 million years of North American natural history. He discusses the Chicxulub reset, lost megafauna and White Sands footprints, evolving ideas of extinction, the rise of conservation and the Endangered Species Act, and bold de-extinction work using CRISPR to recapture dire wolf traits.
01:09:15
23,000-Year-Old Footprints Rewrite Arrival
- New evidence pushes first solid human presence in North America to about 23,000 years ago at White Sands.
- The footprints include a woman carrying a child and show interactions with ground sloth, dire wolf, and mammoth tracks.
Bison And Mammoths Are Latecomers
- Iconic American animals like bison are relatively recent arrivals, with bison reaching North America within the last 400,000 years.
- Flores highlights surprising migration and evolutionary histories that reshape our sense of 'native' fauna.
Island Mammoths Died From Genomic Meltdown
- Woolly mammoths persisted on an Aleutian island until about 4,000 years ago but died from low genetic diversity.
- Flores uses that island case to show how genomic meltdown can doom small isolated populations.
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Intro
00:00 • 3min
Why Dan Wrote Wild New World
02:53 • 3min
Place, Solitude, and the Writer's Life
05:24 • 3min
Writing Habits: Solitude vs. Distraction
08:11 • 1min
Inspiration and Scope: Environmental History
09:15 • 3min
Why Books Still Matter
11:59 • 2min
Challenges of a Deep-Time Narrative
14:07 • 4min
Starting at Chicxulub: A Reset for North America
17:38 • 2min
Voice and Tone: Fun Meets Scholarship
19:55 • 3min
Audience and Teaching Influence
22:54 • 1min
Structuring an Epic Narrative
24:03 • 3min
Human Arrival: Newest Evidence at White Sands
27:05 • 4min
Pleistocene Encounters at White Sands
30:41 • 2min
Later Arrivals: Bison and Mammoth Timelines
32:54 • 4min
The Idea of Extinction Evolved
37:03 • 6min
America's Dual Legacy: Destruction and Wilderness
43:19 • 4min
Conservation, Nixon, and the ESA
47:23 • 4min
Favorite Lost Species and De-extinction
51:02 • 7min
How Colossal Recreated Dire Wolf Traits
57:46 • 4min
Classic Nature Books That Shaped Flores
01:01:43 • 1min
Advice for Aspiring Science Writers
01:02:57 • 39sec
Podcast and New Book Projects
01:03:36 • 3min
Where to Find Dan's Work
01:06:58 • 40sec
Outro
01:07:38 • 2min
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The wolves of Mount McKinley
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The book was serialized in 'The New Yorker' before its full publication and generated significant public and scientific debate.
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The book begins with his experiences as a medical student at Harvard, where he shares candid insights into his time and the challenges he faced.
It then transitions to his extensive travel experiences, including climbing Mount Kilimanjaro, tracking mountain gorillas in Rwanda, and exploring remote areas of Pakistan.
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Join host Tripp Collins for a sweeping conversation with environmental historian and author Dan Flores about his award-winning book Wild New World: The Epic Story of Animals and People in America.
In this episode, Dan takes us on a 65-million-year journey through North America's natural history—from the Chicxulub asteroid impact that wiped out the dinosaurs to the present day. We explore the continent's lost megafauna, including woolly mammoths and dire wolves, and discuss the heartbreaking extinctions of iconic species like the Carolina parakeet and passenger pigeon.
Dan shares insights into his writing process, the challenges of weaving together paleontology, genomics, and environmental history into a compelling narrative, and why he believes books have a unique power to "rearrange the furniture in your head." We also dive into America's evolving relationship with nature—from the hubris of market capitalism and wildlife slaughter to the birth of the conservation movement and the passage of the Endangered Species Act.
Plus: Dan reveals exciting news about his involvement with Colossal Biosciences and their groundbreaking work on de-extinction, including genetically edited dire wolves, and previews his upcoming book project Homestead: Building a Green Lifestyle in the Modern American Countryside.
Topics covered:
- Deep time history and the Chicxulub impact
- Ancient human migration to North America (23,000-year-old footprints at White Sands)
- The extinction crisis and changing attitudes toward conservation
- De-extinction science and CRISPR gene editing
- The role of nature writing in American culture
- Why books matter in an age of podcasts and film
Find Dan Flores:
- Podcast: The American West
- Books: Wild New World, Coyote America, American Serengeti
- All books mentioned on Book Science
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