
Off the Pulpit Discipleship in a Volatile World w/Mark Sayers
May 21, 2025
Mark Sayers, an Australian pastor and cultural analyst, dives into the chaos of 2025, discussing how political upheaval impacts faith. He explores the shift from Trump 1.0 to 2.0 and its global repercussions. Sayers emphasizes the need for churches to guide Gen Z through their spiritual curiosities while avoiding moralistic pitfalls. He advocates for local, resilient faith communities and offers insights on managing modern anxiety. Drawing on monastic traditions, he highlights the importance of stabilizing presence in turbulent times.
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Trump 2.0 Upsets Global Order
- Trump 2.0 is far more institutionally embedded and globally disruptive than Trump 1.0.
- Mark Sayers says non-Americans felt Trump 2.0 upended local elections and global order.
Global Order Is Shaken Beyond Tariffs
- The global order is shaken by security, economic, and diplomatic upsets beyond tariffs.
- Mark warns countries now question whether they can trust the U.S. as an ally.
Institutional Capture Changes The Game
- Trump 1.0 was chaotic and constrained; Trump 2.0 has built loyal cadres across institutions.
- Mark argues this enables a radical remaking of executive power and culture.








