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Tobias Carlisle on Warren Buffett, Sun Tzu, and the Ancient Art of Risk Taking | Excess Returns Pod

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Oct 24, 2025
Tobias Carlisle, an accomplished investor and author known for his insightful writings on deep value investing, joins the hosts to discuss his new book linking Warren Buffett to Sun Tzu's strategies. He reveals how concepts like invincibility and victory without conflict shape Buffett's approach to investments. The conversation explores the General Re acquisition, the strategic brilliance behind Buffett's actions at Apple, and the importance of avoiding mistakes in investing. Carlisle emphasizes the role of temperament over intellect and the enduring power of simplicity in successful investing.
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ANECDOTE

Apple: Victory Without Conflict

  • Tobias traces activist pressure from Einhorn and Icahn before Buffett's large Apple stake and contrasts their approaches.
  • Buffett quietly bought big, framed Apple as a consumer franchise, then profited massively without public conflict.
ADVICE

Use Via Negativa To Reject Risky Ideas

  • Use via negativa: focus on avoiding known failure modes before seeking opportunities.
  • Run a checklist of how an idea can fail and reject ideas you cannot eliminate risk for.
INSIGHT

Markets Are Fat‑Tailed; Build Robustness

  • Markets produce fat tails and rare catastrophic events more often than models expect.
  • Building robustness and avoiding leverage preserves optionality through extreme cycles.
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