Why did Plato Wish to Exile Writers, Painters and Sculptors? | Einar Bøhn, Nerdrum & Tuv

We dive into Plato's dialogues, such as Ion and The Republic to better understand the Greek philosopher's concept of the ideal forms and why he declaimed that painters, sculptors, and writers were to be banned from his ideal state. 👍✨ Support our show and get access to more than 200 exclusive posts: https://patreon.com/caveofapelles/ Chapter markers: 00:00 Is life on earth inferior? 03:11 Plato's "forms", censorship and the afterlife 08:46 Imitation as morally problematic 12:35 Good painters imitate Platonic forms? 16:58 Serving the state vs "please and instruct" 20:43 Plato's philosophy — a preparation for death 23:43 Socratic irony as manipulation 26:25 Ion: do not overestimate how much you know 29:27 Ion: empathy made suspicious 33:32 Plato understood literally - and later interpretations 38:45 Plato vs Aristotle on the poet 41:55 Preparation for death 45:01 Capturing the forms or the universal? 52:34 Number of "forms" & steel manning Plato 54:53 "Find God in everything" and near death experiences 56:24 Heraclitus vs Plato 58:39 Great poets make things last This episode featured Einar Duenger Bøhn, Bork Nerdrum & Jan-Ove Tuv. Filmed by Öde Nerdrum and Carl August Benneche Klevjer. Edited by Bork Nerdrum. The centerpiece was a 19th century reproduction of G. F. Watts' Hope. SHOUTOUT to our TOP SPONSORS! Fergus Ryan Matthias Proy Børge Moe Eivind Josten Subscribe to our newsletter. It is the only way to make sure that you receive content from us on a regular basis: https://bit.ly/2L8qCNn Check out our other channels: https://www.youtube.com/c/SchoolofApelles https://www.youtube.com/c/CultureWarsNow Podcast available on SoundCloud, iTunes, and Spotify: https://soundcloud.com/caveofapelles https://spoti.fi/2AVDkcT https://apple.co/2QAcXD6 Visit our facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/caveofapelles Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/CaveOfApelles For inquiries — talk@caveofapelles.com