Passive Mobile Home Park Investing Interview with Jefferson Lilly of Park Avenue Partners
Welcome back to the Passive Mobile Home Park Investing Podcast, hosted by Andrew Keel. On this episode of the Passive Mobile Home Park Investing Podcast, Andrew interviews one of America’s largest mobile home park operators, and one of his mentors in Mr. Jefferson Lilly from Park Avenue Partners.
Jefferson is a mobile home park investing expert and educator. He is the General Partner at Park Avenue Partners and has acquired over 43 mobile home parks across 15 states since 2007, totaling over $81 million in asset value. Jefferson started the mobile home park industry’s first podcast and the largest group on LinkedIn dedicated to investing in mobile home parks. He holds a B.A. from the University of Pennsylvania and an MBA from the Wharton School of Business.
Jefferson was also a speaker at the SECO conference for mobile home park community owners, back in September and he had a couple of great sessions including one on valuing mobile home parks in 2023.
Jefferson is back on the show after almost 3 years since our previous recording with him on episode #33 and in this episode Jefferson discusses with Andrew how his current mobile home park portfolio is performing, agency debt versus CMBS financing, and he shares a couple of golden nuggets, tips and advice, for new mobile home park investors.
We are fortunate to have Jefferson Lilly share his expertise with us on today's show!
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Talking Points:
00:21 - Welcome to the Passive Mobile Home Park Investing Podcast
01:06 - Introduction to Jefferson Lilly
02:09 - The rise in interest rates
04:38 - Assuming agency debt for a loan when purchasing a mobile home park
09:00 - CMBS vs agency debt
13:42 - Jefferson’s journey into the Mobile home park industry
16:02 - Jefferson’s current mobile home park portfolio
18:00 - Mobile Home Park team members and managers
23:55 - Due Diligence: Outreach and test ads
24:57 - Scaling and prioritizing for your mobile home park business
30:31 - Jefferson’s perfect mobile home park
32:17 - Resources for new mobile home park investors
33:35 - The Mobile Home Park Investors Podcast
34:50 - Mobile Home Parks and their recession resilience
37:46 - Do your homework and jump in
38:50 - Reaching out to Jefferson Lilly
39:56 - Conclusion
Links & Mentions from This Episode:
Park Avenue Investors: https://www.parkavenuepartners.com/
Keel Team's official website: https://www.keelteam.com/
Andrew Keel's official website: https://www.andrewkeel.com/
Andrew Keel LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewkeel
Andrew Keel Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/PassiveMHPinvestingPodcast
Andrew Keel Instagram page: https://www.instagram.com/passivemhpinvesting/
Twitter: @MHPinvestors
Quotes:
“So the agencies have standards. [laughs] We do always try and get agency debt. We've looked a little bit about trying to get the really cheap debt, which is direct from an insurance company.” - Jefferson Lilly
“I guess mobile home parks are multifamily and would have, you know, stable site income. And if they're cheaper, I don't know, why wouldn't I buy one?” - Jefferson Lilly
“I got into the business too late. When I did get into it, I took too long to scale up basically to start raising outside capital.” - Jefferson Lilly
“At some point you do your homework and at some point you've got to just kind of jump in and make a decision again whether it's to buy a park or to invest in a fund.” - Jefferson Lilly