Erik Goodwyn: Dreams, Metaphor and Fantasy Writing

Oct 20, 2025

Erik Goodwyn, a psychiatrist and neurobiology-minded writer of dreams, archetypes, and fantasy, chats about how dreaming fuels creativity, memory, and healing. He explains dreams as “as if” metaphors, contrasts crisis nightmares with exploratory dreams, links the default mode network to meaning-making, and shows how fantasy fiction channels deep human struggles.

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ANECDOTE

Personal 'Divine Child' Dream

Erik Goodwyn noticed his own therapy dreams included the 'divine child' archetype.
He says the child often appears as a call to protect or integrate a vulnerable part of the self.

INSIGHT

Dreams Make 'As If' Narratives

Dreams construct 'as if' narratives that give meaning to raw experience.
Erik Goodwyn says metaphors let the psyche condense memory into inexhaustible symbolic meanings.

INSIGHT

Dreaming Consolidates And Plans

Dreams do memory consolidation and forward-looking planning simultaneously.
Erik Goodwyn links REM-based memory work to abductive future planning and emotional regulation.

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Dr. Erik Goodwyn is a practising psychiatrist with a background in neurobiology who bridges the worlds of neuroscience, Jungian psychology, and fantasy. Erik is co-editor-in-chief of the International Journal of Jungian Studies and as well as dozens of academic papers he has written books on the neurobiology of the gods, dreams, and archetypes, and this year published his first fantasy novel, King of the Forgotten Darkness, which won the Literary Titan Golden Book Award.

You can find Erik's work at:Website: https://erikgoodwyn.comYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@theimaginarium

In this conversation, I sit down with Erik to explore the neuroscience of dreams and their connection to creativity, trauma, and healing. We dive deep into how the default mode network operates during dreaming, why dreams create "as if" narratives to help us make sense of our lives, and how the psyche uses metaphor to consolidate memory, regulate emotions, and plan for the future. Erik shares fascinating insights from his clinical work, including how trauma dreams evolve during the healing process and why some dreams seem to bookend creative projects. We also venture into the realm of fantasy literature, discussing how writers like Tolkien and Sanderson use fantastical elements to tell deeply human stories about real lived experiences.

⏳Timestamps
00:00 James's Intro
01:31 Beginning: Wyoming, Mountain Time, and writing fantasy
03:24 Architects vs. Gardeners: Erik's writing process
08:16 The divine child archetype in therapy dreams
09:13 "as if": how dreams create meaning through metaphor
11:58 Dreams in crisis mode vs. exploratory mode (PTSD example)
15:08 Memory consolidation and forward planning in dreams
16:37 The default mode network during dreaming
19:32 Creativity and the default mode network
24:19 Dream sequences: Exploration of themes across multiple dreams
29:27 The body's natural healing process through dreams
40:58 Ernest Hartman and contextualizing metaphors
42:14 What is fantasy really about? Beyond escapism
43:01 Tolkien's Lord of the Rings as meditation on the problem of evil
43:04 Evil and grace in Middle-earth
45:29 Morgoth, Sauron, and the continuation of evil
46:37 Guest recommendation: Stefano Carpani
47:19 Where to find Erik