The Rollup

ICOs, Regulation & Fair Token Launches, Offchain Founders on The Smart Account Future, Building DeFi’s Yield Hub and Extended’s Starknet Leap with Derek Chiang, Steven Goldfeder

Aug 21, 2025
Steven Goldfeder, co-founder of Arbitrum, and Derek Chiang, founder of ZeroDev, dive into the exciting world of DeFi and blockchain. They discuss the future of smart accounts and the benefits of advanced signature verification, which can reduce on-chain costs. The pair also tackle the complexities of fundraising in the crypto space, emphasizing transparency and community involvement. Additionally, they highlight the importance of security in tech, sharing lessons learned and innovative strategies for merging traditional and decentralized finance.
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ADVICE

Choose Alignment In M&A

  • Align on vision and people first when pursuing M&A because chemistry makes integrations succeed.
  • Prioritize teams that share a roadmap and culture over pure product synergies.
ANECDOTE

Joining To Amplify Product Impact

  • Derek said he joined Offchain Labs to amplify ZeroDev's UX mission and make ZeroDev '100x better' within a larger stack.
  • He recommended founders join acquirers that genuinely improve their product and mission.
ANECDOTE

Security Rebuild After An Exploit

  • Rob described recovering from a prior exploit by investing heavily in audits, bug bounties, and monitoring to regain trust.
  • He said rigorous security spend convinced VCs his team prioritized safety and reduced future risk.
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