Like it or not, grades are a part of climbing, and I've recently been exploring how to have a good relationship with them. In that exploration, I've decided on a range that I believe any given grade represents.

But to stress test that range, I wanted to talk to someone who is an above average climber with an above average resume, spends a considerable amount of time thinking about this subject, AND who ISN’T the height of an average male like I am.

One person really stood above the others – pun intended. Juliet Hammer. She’s a coach, crusher, has been doing experiments concerning indoor grades and working on a resource for how to engage with grades.

And she’s just shy of 5 feet tall. Perfect.

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Juliet Hammer | A Better Relationship With Climbing Grades (Especially if You're Short)