WIIRE 215: The Wealth Stack: How to Layer Real Estate, Stocks, and Retirement Accounts Like a Pro

In this episode, we tackle a big question for women building wealth through real estate: should you invest when you have credit card debt—and can credit cards ever be used strategically? Guest Malia Gudenkauf, also known as Little Miss Finance, breaks down when credit card debt is a hard no, when it might be acceptable, and why paying off 20–30% interest often beats chasing the next deal. 

We dig into the difference between using a 0% APR promo card versus revolving high-interest debt, plus the few situations where investing with debt can make sense, such as a conservative cosmetic flip or a house hack that slashes your housing costs so you can attack balances faster. We also flag major red flags, such as making only minimum payments, relying on rental cash flow to cover interest, and investing without reserves. 

Beyond the numbers, we talk about the stress of debt, the habit of “burying your head in the sand,” and how real estate should expand your life—not add panic. For more shame-free money guidance from Malia, visit her website or follow her on Instagram.

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