The Way I Heard It with Mike Rowe

475: Jan Jekielek—Killed to Order

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Mar 17, 2026
Jan Jekielek, senior editor and author of Killed to Order, investigates alleged state-sanctioned organ harvesting in China. He discusses how researchers uncovered suspicious transplant data and the methods used to conceal atrocities. The conversation explores who is targeted, why witnesses stay silent, and the moral forces that enable or resist such abuses.
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INSIGHT

China's Alleged State Organ Harvesting System

  • Jan Jekielek asserts China operates a large, state-linked organ harvesting system targeting political prisoners like Falun Gong and Uyghurs.
  • He cites blood-typing, tissue testing, hospitals next to prisons and crematoria as operational evidence.
INSIGHT

Questionable Official Transplant Data Reveal Fraud

  • Jan explains researchers estimate 60,000–100,000 annual transplants in China and that official registry data were mathematically implausible.
  • Matthew Robertson found the registry followed a near-perfect quadratic curve, indicating fabricated supply numbers.
ANECDOTE

Hospitals Next To Prisons And Crematoria In Xinjiang

  • Jan recounts hospitals, prisons, and crematoria built side-by-side in Xinjiang as concrete scenes that enable disappearance and disposal.
  • He references Ethan Gutmann's reporting and a South Korean undercover crew documenting the deception told to patients.
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