
Counterpoint Should the U.S. Completely Decouple From China?
May 14, 2025
Derek Scissors, a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute and chief economist at the China Beige Book, argues for a hardline U.S. stance against China. In contrast, Lizzi C. Lee, a fellow at the Asia Society Policy Institute, emphasizes that full decoupling isn't feasible. They discuss the complex implications of U.S.-China relations, the strategic challenges of decoupling, and its potential economic fallout. Both explore the balance between engagement and resistance amid rising nationalism in China and its impact on global dynamics.
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Export Controls Need Discipline
- Focus export controls on a small, disciplined set of targets with effective implementation.\n- Close loopholes like cloud access and third-country routing to increase export control efficacy.
Decoupling Brings Short-Term Pain
- Serious U.S. decoupling would cause short-term financial losses and stock price drops for affected firms.\n- Long-term benefits exist but costs appear first, leading to resistance from businesses.
Avoid Alienating Global Partners
- Forcing countries to pick between the U.S. and China risks pushing them to choose China instead.\n- U.S. should offer valuable alternatives rather than threaten to disrupt global trade partners indiscriminately.


