In this episode, Dylan Wiliam joins us for a frank, wide-ranging conversation about the real purpose of assessment and whether our systems are truly serving learning or simply feeding accountability. We explore feedback that actually changes what students do next, what responsive teaching looks like in practice, and how leaders can navigate the rise of AI without panic or posturing. It’s a thoughtful, challenging discussion about what must evolve in assessment, what should never change, and how we keep learning at the centre of it all.