Queering Internal Family Systems (IFS) Episode 12 - Queering IFS - Bringing Compassion to the Complexity around Pronouns for Everybody with Phil de la Haye
Queering IFS - Episode 12 - Bringing Compassion to the Complexity around Pronouns for Everybody with Phil de la Haye
In the first episode of 2026, Jude and Alessio are joined by Phil for a thoughtful conversation about pronouns, privilege, and complexity.
Rather than treating pronouns as a simple checkbox, this episode explores how they operate across different layers: inside our systems, in relationship, and within wider cultural and organisational contexts. The conversation stays with the reality that pronouns can be affirming, exposing, political, tender, and sometimes activating, often all at once.
Together, they reflect on choice and privilege in pronoun disclosure, the impact of misgendering, the limits of language, and why responsibility for inclusion can’t sit only with individuals.
This is a grounded, compassionate conversation for anyone navigating gender, identity, therapy spaces, or leadership and training environments.
In this episode
Pronouns as internal, relational, and contextual
Different parts having different feelings about pronouns
Choice, safety, and the privilege of being gendered “correctly” by default
The impact of misgendering, even after disclosure
Pronouns as labels, and why being asked to declare them can feel jarring
Language, erasure, and gendered languages
Organisational responsibility vs individual labour
Pronoun invitations as harm prevention in training spaces
Key timestamps
00:00 to 06:00 Introductions and setting the theme
06:00 to 11:30 Context, choice, privilege, and internal layers
11:30 to 18:00 Pronouns as labels, culture, and legacy
20:30 to 24:30 Language, gender, and erasure
24:30 to 32:30 Training spaces, access fatigue, and responsibility
35:00 to end Power, privilege, and closing reflections
Quotes
“Compassion for the complexity around pronouns for everyone. We’re doing this for all systems.”
“If there is no label, then you don’t exist. It’s the double edge.”
“Privilege is silent. People don’t know they have it, because it’s a non-problem for them.”
Links:
Open letter: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ileIj-50K40fimPyCrPjWW4n5S2GTtDLBnbcO5Z22rM/edit?usp=sharing
Website: www.phildelahaye.com
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SIRPA (Stress Illness Recovery Practitioners Association): https://www.sirpa.org
Disclaimer
This podcast is hosted by qualified therapists who share personal reflections and professional insights into therapy and mental health. The views expressed are those of the individual speakers or guests and are personal to them.
While we talk about therapy, this podcast is not therapy. It’s for information, reflection, and conversation only, and should never be considered a substitute for professional mental health support, diagnosis, or treatment. Listening to this podcast does not create a therapist-client relationship.
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Guest opinions are their own and don’t necessarily reflect those of the hosts.
Contacts
Alessio Rizzo (He/They) is a Certified IFS psychotherapist, IFS Trainer with the IFS institute, and Approved Clinical Consultant (ACC) - www.therapywithalessio.com
Jude Carn (She/They) is a Certified IFS psychotherapist and Approved Clinical Consultant (ACC) with the IFS Institute - www.anchoredinself.co.uk
Sound editing by Forbes Coleman