Peter Gleason: "We Look at Board Directorships as a Profession with Accountability and Expectations."

0:00 -- Intro.

1:31 -- Start of interview.

1:57 -- Peter's "origin story". 

2:40 -- His career prior to NACD, including at Institutional Shareholder Services (ISS).  Peter joined NACD in 2000.

4:52 -- On the origin and mission of the National Association of Corporate Directors (NACD). Founded in 1977 by John Nash. Today the organization has grown to 23,000+ members. 

7:02 -- About the NACD Directorship Certification (created three years ago). About 2,800 candidates have registered, and about ~1,100 have graduated with the certification.

10:38 -- On the evolution of corporate governance in the last 30 years from his vantage point. “Everything has changed [about boards] – it used to be more of an honorary position, we look it now as a profession with accountability and expectations.” The precedent of the ISS corporate governance quotient (CGQ).

14:36 -- About NACD’s Future of the American Board Report: A Framework for Governing into the Future. 

20:07 -- On NACD's Summit 2022 and lessons from 2022 from a corporate governance perspective. The impact of the pandemic and getting back to in-person events.

24:29 -- About NACD's 20 chapters throughout the US. Mostly in "NFL cities."

27:53 -- On ESG and the anti-ESG trend and the politicization of corporation governance.

30:30 -- On Institutional Investors passing-through voting power to beneficial owners, retail investors and the Universal Proxy Rule. A revolution in shareholder democracy?

41:01 -- On the increasing influence of private markets and its corporate governance implications. "From NACD's 23,000 members, about 8,000 are directors of private companies." There is a lot of informationsharing between public and private company directors.

43:49 -- On the challenges of founder-led private companies. The case of FTX.

47:20 -- On dual-class share structures (supermajority voting structures). "The NACD doesn't have an official position." The example of Meta and Mark Zuckerberg. On the role of the board in non-profits. "I always recommend to go get a few independent directors for boards, because they will tell you what they are thinking (unvarnished opinions) but you have to listen to their independent advice."

52:10 -- Focus on social issues (pressure on CEOs speaking out). The framework that CEOs and boards must use to communicate their positions.

55:39 - The books that have greatly influenced his life: 

1. Good to Great, by Jim Collins (2001)
2. To Kill a Mockingbird, by Harper Lee (1960)
3. The Industries of the Future, by Alec Ross (2016)

57:17 - His mentors, and what he learned from them. 

1. His parents.
2. Ken Daly, former CEO of NACD from 2007-2017.
3. Ira Millstein

59:32 -  Quotes he thinks of often or live his life by. 

1. "If at first you don't succeed, try, try again." (from his parents)
2. "It ain't about how hard you hit. It's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward." Rocky Balboa.
3. "Man in the Arena" by Teddy Roosevelt (1910).

1:00:59 - An unusual habit or an absurd thing that he loves: he watches TV to unwind (noise in the background).

1:01:52 - The living person he most admires: his mother and his wife.

Peter Gleason is the President and CEO of the National Association of Corporate Directors (NACD).

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