On Tuesday, Apple announced in a bizarre video that it will become carbon neutral by 2030. Shortly after the announcement, Microsoft reminded the world of its promise to become carbon negative by the same year. Are these goals reachable, or are tech giants overreaching? POLITICO’s Zack Colman gets real.

Anthony Adragna is an energy reporter for POLITICO.
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Apple and Microsoft's big green dream