Andrew and Seth Andrews have been friends for the better part of a decade. On this pod, they invite you into one of the many conversations they’ve had over the years about the organized fight against religion and for church-state separation—but this time, they’re recording it. Stay through to the end for the most fun you’ll ever have in a lightning round.

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055: Storytelling and the Secular Movement with Seth Andrews