The Megyn Kelly Show

Establishment Meltdown Over RFK, New Lisa Cook Questions, and Being a "Lion" Instead of a "Scavenger," with Ben Shapiro

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Sep 2, 2025
Ben Shapiro, a conservative commentator and co-founder of The Daily Wire, dives into the chaos within the scientific establishment over RFK's recent CDC controversies. He examines the erosion of trust in academia and the implications of identity politics on qualifications. The discussion extends to geopolitical dynamics involving Modi and Putin, while Shapiro metaphorically categorizes leaders as 'lions' or 'scavengers.' He emphasizes the importance of a robust mindset, especially for the next generation, amid a culture rife with misinformation and public distrust.
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ANECDOTE

London Marches Sparked The Book

  • Ben Shapiro recounts being warned by security in London during large Gaza protests in 2023.
  • He wrote Lions and Scavengers after seeing historic Western institutions targeted by anti-Western marches.
ADVICE

Fix Institutions; Don't Tear Them Down

  • Rebuild trust by fixing institutions rather than ripping them down wholesale.
  • Keep essential institutions like CDC and FBI but purge politicization and restore competence.
INSIGHT

Conspiracies Need Evidence; Theories Drain Agency

  • Shapiro distinguishes conspiracies (with evidence) from conspiracy theories (without evidence).
  • He warns that blanket belief in shadowy plots leaves people feeling powerless.
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