
The GaryVee Audio Experience The Death of Followers and the Future of Marketing | Marketing Against the Grain Podcast
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Sep 3, 2025 Gary Vaynerchuk, a dynamic entrepreneur and content creator, joins Kip Bodnar, HubSpot's CMO, to explore the future of marketing. They dive into the decline of follower counts and the critical rise of attention-based algorithms. The conversation challenges conventional marketing metrics and emphasizes the transformative power of AI. Personal anecdotes highlight the evolution of marketing and the need for innovation in response to changing consumer behavior. Tune in to discover essential insights for brand growth in a fast-paced digital landscape.
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Switch From 'Or' To 'And' Decision Making
- Replace 'or' debates with 'and' agility: adopt multiple creative paths quickly instead of months-long single-decision processes.
- Gary urges Fortune 500s to embrace faster testing and yes-and culture.
Write Copy For The Exact Audience
- Use micro-segmentation to craft copy, slang and cadence tailored to each audience.
- Gary details adapting thumbnails, first seconds and six- to ten-second beats per cohort.
Creative Now Creates Reach
- Organic social posts now create reach; creative produces distribution in for-you algorithms.
- Gary calls organic social the most important part of the marketing mix and underused by big companies.










