HBR IdeaCast To Gain Customer—and Employee—Loyalty, Go Beyond Good Enough
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Apr 14, 2026 
Marcus Buckingham, a researcher and bestselling author on strengths and leadership, explores why companies should aim for love, not just satisfaction. He digs into five-star moments, Disney’s detail obsession, the feelings that drive loyalty, why even ordinary products can inspire devotion, and where AI helps or weakens human connection.
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Experience Design Drives Behavior Better Than Incentives
- Marcus Buckingham argues leaders wrongly chase goals, incentives, and process tweaks when they actually need to design experiences that change behavior.
- His formula runs upstream from outcomes to behaviors to internal experiences, making experience design the mechanics of sustainable behavior change.
Only Five Star Feelings Change Outcomes
- Buckingham says the link between sentiment and results is not linear but a hockey stick, where only extreme positive experiences reliably shift later behavior.
- Moving customers or employees from a two to three or three to four changes little; fives are what predict loyalty, productivity, and repeat visits.
Love Predicts Loyalty Better Than Net Promoter
- Buckingham says companies should stop treating love as soft language and treat it as the strongest signal of future customer or employee behavior.
- He criticizes Net Promoter Score for lumping scores together and says real interviews with fives repeatedly surface the spontaneous phrase I love that.
