DarkHorse Podcast Is God More Than a Story? Jonathan Pageau with Jordan Hall on DarkHorse
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Apr 26, 2026 
Jordan Hall, public intellectual who maps culture and systems, and Jonathan Pageau, scholar of Christian symbolism and ritual, discuss faith, science, and social cohesion. They debate how worship, ritual, and shared values bind societies. They examine scientism, pandemic failures, AI ethics, religion as a solution to collective-action problems, and how lived faith and costly commitment shape lasting communities.
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Science Lacks A Vertical Value Orientation
- Science predicts phenomena but lacks a vertical hierarchy of values that orients how its findings are applied.
- Jonathan Pageau argues worship or attention to a transcendent binds families, nations, and societies and supplies that missing value hierarchy.
Theology Provides Context Science Doesn’t
- Theology and science occupy different but complementary domains: theology orients meaning and purpose, science maps empirical reality.
- Jordan Hall: treat theology as a queen that orients the knight (science) rather than a competing stronger knight.
Protect Science With Character And Good Faith
- Don't let science operate without ethics and character; cultivate honesty and good faith to prevent scientific institutions becoming ideological bludgeons.
- Jordan and Jonathan point to COVID failures as evidence of depleted scientific integrity.