
The DemystifySci Podcast How Finance Capitalism Ruined the World - Dr. Michael Hudson & Dr. Steve Keen, DSPod 203
Nov 13, 2023
Dr. Michael Hudson and Dr. Steve Keen discuss the transition from industrial capitalism to finance capitalism, the concentration of wealth, the impact of debt on the economy, and the commercialization of universities. They challenge the false dichotomy of capitalism v. socialism and emphasize the need to prioritize industrial capitalism over finance capitalism. The podcast explores the influence of finance on politics, the rising private debt in America, and the negative effects of debt on industrial development and happiness. The guests also discuss the concept of a post-collapse narrative, the myth surrounding socialism and capitalism, and the commercialization of universities. Additionally, they explore the potential for reconstructing the state after the collapse of financial capitalism and discuss ideas for building a post-money world. The podcast concludes with a discussion on religious influence on sustainable economies and the frustrations in fighting neoclassical economists.
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GDP Distortion
- Finance capitalism distorts GDP by counting financial services and overhead as growth.
- Increased debt, penalties, and CEO salaries contribute to this illusion.
False Dichotomy
- The false dichotomy of capitalism vs. socialism obscures the real issue: industrial vs. finance capitalism.
- Nuances of government regulation and debt are central to this.
Accumulated Profits and Debt
- Banks primarily reinvest their revenue into creating more debt, leading to exponential growth.
- This further extracts wealth from industry and wage earners.


