
The Michael Shermer Show The Current State of Atheism and Separation of Church and State
Public Funding of Private Schools
- FFRF does not oppose private schools but challenges their use of public funds through voucher systems.
- Public accountability should follow public money, which is often lacking in private schools.
Texas Nativity Scene Lawsuit
- The FFRF erected a secular nativity scene in Texas featuring the Bill of Rights.
- Governor Abbott censored it, leading to an eight-year lawsuit that the FFRF ultimately won.
Report Church-State Violations
- Report violations of church-state separation to the FFRF at ffrf.org.
- Most issues can be resolved through letters, but some require legal action.








































In this thought-provoking conversation, Dan Barker, a former evangelical preacher turned prominent atheist and co-president of the Freedom from Religion Foundation, explains the current state of separation of Church and State, the influence of Catholicism on the Supreme Court, and the ongoing debates surrounding public education and religious symbols.
Barker also discusses the legal challenges tackled by his organization, and introduces "Contraduction," a new philosophical concept that reexamines how beliefs and arguments can reverse in order and meaning.
Plus, the moral implications of belief systems and the fine-tuning argument for the existence of God, the nature of nothingness, and free will.
Dan Barker is co-president of the Freedom From Religion Foundation, co-host of Freethought Radio, and co-founder of The Clergy Project. He worked 19 years as an evangelical minister and is a member of the Lenape (Delaware) tribe of American Indians. His new book is Contraduction.
