The Rich Roll Podcast Alex Honnold: The Free Soul of Free Solo Climbing On Fear, Risk, Mindset & What It Means To Be Truly Alive
Gale King Interview
- Gale King, interviewing Alex Honnold, reacted strongly to his casual discussion of mortality.
- He noted that city dwellers may not confront death's reality as frequently.
Risk vs. Consequence
- Alex Honnold distinguishes between risk (likelihood of falling) and consequence (severity of a fall).
- He emphasizes that perceived risk from videos doesn't reflect his actual fall likelihood.
Amygdala Function
- An MRI study showed Alex Honnold's amygdala functions, contrary to earlier assumptions.
- He believes his dampened fear response is from practice, not a brain abnormality.
Last week I asked you to imagine being attacked by a 9-foot bull shark.
This week I invite you to envision climbing the storied 3,600-foot sheer vertical rock face known as El Capitan. The trick? You have to do it without any ropes, harnesses or any protective gear whatsoever. An astonishing prospect, even the tiniest mistake or unexpected intervening variable could cost you your life — a life that hinges moment to moment upon punctilious preparation, meticulous focus, and a preternatural relationship with fear.
This is one small aspect of the life of Alex Honnold, a renown professional adventure rock climber whose audacious free-solo ascents of America’s biggest cliffs have made him one of the most masterful and compelling athletes of our generation.
An global icon of athletic mastery, the lore of Alex Honnold transcends sport. I imagine many of you have viewed — with palms sweaty and jaw agape — at least one of his many stunning climbing videos. Perhaps you saw him profiled on 60 Minutes, or read profiles about him in the New York Times, National Geographic or Outside and, like me, were left to wonder:
How is that even possible? How does that guy do what he does? And more importantly, why?
The answer isn’t as elementary as you might imagine. It can't be reduced to simple genetics, strength, drive, or even his most unusual relationship with fear.
I think the answer is far more complex and frankly, much much more interesting. Of course, fanatical preparation plays a role. As does his fidelity to incremental progression. His unique kinship with risk is certainly a central factor.
But I think what truly sets Alex apart is a profound sense of awe and wonder. An uncanny facility to meld his body and mind with spirit. And the ability to become absolutely one with his quest.
Inarguably, what Alex does is both staggering and astonishing. But it's who he is, how he lives, and what he stands for that I find most impressive.
Today, we explore all of it.
This conversation is everything I wanted it to be. It's about adventure, fear, risk, curiosity, focus, mindset, preparation and the primacy of incremental progression.
Over the course of almost two hours we cover his boundary-crushing El Cap solo free climb and his most recent expedition to Antarctica. We discuss his passion for environmental conservation and the benefits of his minimalist lifestyle. And of course we explore his training routines and mostly-vegan diet.
But most of all, this is a conversation that not only examines the how behind Alex's feats, but the why behind his pursuits.
Thoughtful, deliberate and present, I also found Alex to be quite generous, incredibly curious, and whip smart.
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I'm grateful for this exchange and I sincerely hope you enjoy it.
Peace + Plants,
Rich