
The Lawfare Podcast Rational Security: The “Chestbursters Roasting on an Open Fire” Edition
Dec 17, 2025
Alan Rozenshtein, a legal and technology policy expert, joins Ari Tabatabai, a national security analyst focused on China policy, to discuss pressing national security issues. They delve into the implications of the Trump administration's approval for Nvidia to export advanced AI chips to China, highlighting the strategic competition landscape. The duo also critiques a recent executive order aimed at preempting state-level AI regulations, questioning its efficacy and legal grounding. Additionally, they reflect on the tragic Bondi Beach attack and the rising trend of global antisemitism.
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EO Uses Litigation, Not Direct Preemption
- The executive order mainly instructs DOJ to litigate against state AI laws under doctrines like the dormant commerce clause.
- Its practical reach is limited and likely to provoke political backlash from states and Congress.
Spending Threats Are Limited Leverage
- Spending conditionality on federal broadband funds is legally dubious and small-scale.
- Threats to withhold funding may not deter politically motivated blue states from regulating AI.
Federal Push Could Backfire Politically
- The EO may energize state lawmakers to enact more AI rules by creating political salience.
- Federal threats can create perverse incentives for states seeking attention or resistance.

