147 - ‘Become the Perfect Trip Planner‘ with Cassie

Admittedly Derek and Carl have had some trip planning issues over the years. Cassie from Illinois lays out trip planning tips that will make newbies feel comfortable every step of the way. Also, Derek is accused of having an odd view of people with different budgets than him. And Carl uses trivia to help improve Derek's social skills. Cassie's Facebook Group: Backcountry Enthusiasts

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