Project Hail Mary with Drew Goddard, Phil Lord and Christopher Miller

Mar 26, 2026

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Christopher Miller

Christopher Miller, a writer-director-producer behind 21 Jump Street and The Lego Movie; Phil Lord, the inventive filmmaker of Into the Spider-Verse; and Drew Goddard, screenwriter of The Martian and The Cabin in the Woods. They discuss adapting Project Hail Mary, blending comedy with high-stakes sci-fi, crafting empathy through first contact, balancing tone, and collaborative directing and writing choices.

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INSIGHT

Reinvent Genre With Reverence

Drew Goddard treats genre stories with reverence while seeking fresh ways to tell them, leading to subtle reinventions rather than wholesale deconstruction.
He chooses projects that personally haunt him and then finds new emotional lighthouses, like empathy as a driving theme in Project Hail Mary.

ADVICE

Let Constraints Drive Meaning

Trust the difficulty of a storytelling constraint; let the challenge inform the film's meaning rather than avoid it.
Drew embraced single-character isolation and used it to make the film about empathy rather than rely on ensemble tricks.

ANECDOTE

Why Grace Has No Romantic Anchor

Drew recounts Andy Weir's Martian-era remark: you don't need to be in love to want to save someone's life, which influenced choosing no romantic anchor for Grace.
That absence lets friendship with Rocky and the film's hopeful ending feel authentic and non-icky.

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Ground control to Script Apart listeners – today on the show, we’re blasting off into the cosmos with three formidable sci-fi storytelling talents. Phil Lord and Chris Miller are the writer-director-producer pair responsible for films like Into The Spider-Verse, Across The Spider-Verse, 21 Jump Street, 22 Jump Street, The Lego Movie and Cloudy With A Chance Of Meatballs. Screenwriter Drew Godard, meanwhile, you may know from movies like Cloverfield, Cabin In The Woods, World War Z and Bad Times At The El Royale, which he also directed.

Project Hail Mary is their new film, directed by Lord & Miller and written by Drew, and it’s one of the most entertaining and defiantly hopeful spectacles of the year so far – a tale of empathy and communication as a weapon against adversity, and another story of an astronaut adrift among the stars, adapted from an author who’s made that kinda his specialty. In 2015, Drew worked with Ridley Scott on The Martian – an adaptation of a novel by Andy Weir. A decade later, Drew teamed with Andy again on a film that, from the outside, might look like The Martian Part II. Project Hail Mary, though, is in fact a brilliant inversion of Andy’s breakthrough book, and of other similar-sounding space adventure yarns.

It stars Ryan Gosling as junior high teacher Ryland Grace – a man who wakes up one day alone on a space shuttle with amnesia, and no recollection of what put him there. Soon he discovers himself to be at the centre of a mission to heal our solar system’s dying sun. This dude in a nice cardigan is somehow humanity’s last shot at salvation.

“So, a bit like Sunshine by Danny Boyle?” I hear you ask. Not really! Despite the cosmic high-stakes involved in that premise, Project Hail Mary has a hilarious lightness of touch about it, and a message about friendship at its core that’s remarkable. In the spoiler conversation you’re about to hear, first with Drew, then handing over to Phil and Chris, you’ll hear exactly how the filmmakers arrived at that tone. Collectively, we break down every twist and turn in Project Hail Mary – including the inspirations behind Rocky, a character that let me be very clear, I would die for. Drew also gives me a couple of insights into what he’s cooking up with The Matrix 5, following the announcement a while back that he’s going to be helming the next instalment in that saga.

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