The Rebooting Show Building a post-scale media company
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Dec 4, 2025 Jasper Wang, COO and co-founder of Defector, a worker-owned sports media company, delves into the unique structure of Defector that emerged from the Deadspin walkout. He discusses the cooperative governance model and its impact on stability, boasting zero turnover over five years. The conversation covers challenges like subscriber ceilings and ideological limits on growth, while highlighting the benefits of worker ownership for fostering trust and collaboration. With insights on revenue diversification and support for journalist collectives, Jasper offers a refreshing take on the future of independent media.
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Choose Governance Before Growth
- Prioritize job stability and worker ownership over external growth if those are core company goals.
- Accept slower scaling as the trade-off for reduced risk and collective decision-making.
Ideology And Bandwidth Limit Paid Growth
- Ideology constrains acquisition choices: Defector underinvests in certain paid channels like Meta by design.
- Bandwidth and business-side staffing also limit paid acquisition execution.
Monetize Logged-Out Traffic Respectfully
- Monetize logged-out pageviews with programmatic and direct ads while preserving subscriber experience.
- Consider ad tiers or showing ads to lower subscription tiers to balance revenue and value.