Chinese Fertility Falling Faster Than Expected: Are “Chads” to Blame?

We analyze new stats showing China's births plummeting by 37% in a decade, despite government pleas for more kids. Women don't want "Chad" husbands offering no partnership while still expecting housework and caretaking. Male sexual strategies that incorporate porn personas rather than earning respect backfire in marriage.

Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] Hello Simone! We are here again with. More shocking stats on how quickly fertility rates are falling in some parts of the world. The latest ones that really got me, and honestly, whenever I look at the Chinese numbers, I'm always just flabbergasted at how bad things are.

And I should point out here, just so people are under no illusions here, because there is this popular myth, Chinese fertility rates are falling because of the one child policy. This is a myth. Okay Chinese fertility rates are not, they are falling much faster now than under the one child policy.

They are much lower now than they were under the one child policy. They did not fall because of the one child policy. They fell due to a few issues that we are going to be discussing that are actually very similar. Similar to some of the issues that Korea and Japan have with their fertility rates.

Would you like to know more?

Malcolm Collins: And in a way are tied to being too conservative which is really interesting and goes [00:01:00] back to this Aryababu study that we've mentioned before, which shows that in Europe, the more conservative a country is on average, the lower their fertility rate. While the more conservative a population group was in a country is, the higher their fertility rate, which goes against what a lot of people will assume is, is, is the case.

So this shocking statistic that I saw that really got to me and, was that over the past 10 years, so from 2022 back to 2012, , the number of babies born in China per year dropped. from 16 million all the way down to only 10 million over a 10 year period.

That is a 37. 5 percent decline. That is stunning and shocking. Like

Wow. Wow. But it gets more interesting than this. Like, it's not like China isn't trying to prevent [00:02:00] this decline right now and why this is all relevant is I actually think it's very relevant to the United States and it's very relevant to some of the reproductive strategies men have decided to reactively begin to attempt and I think due to the rise of feminism and an overcorrection for that.

And I think That it is these strategies that we see mirrored sort of what happens to the populations that adopt them. We see that in what's going on in China right now, in what's going on in Korea right now. So, Simone, you had read an article. I'd love you to go into this. Yeah,

Simone Collins: I mean, what got me thinking about this was I got a Google Alert, We have a demographic collapse Google Alert, of course for an article.

On Business Insider India, so totally random, titled Chinese women are fed up with Xi Jinping's attempts to make them have more and more kids. And the article talks about how basically the CCP has had, like they've had, they've made [00:03:00] speeches. They've said, we need to create a new trend of family. And they're trying to create.

Matchmaking events and getting, get more people to get married. And she said he wants the Chinese people to quote, actively cultivate a new culture of marriage and childbearing to strengthen guidance on young people's view on marriage, childbirth, and family. And then. That the article talks about it basically like Chinese women aren't having it.

But Chinese women are pushing back. I can't afford to take care of anything else aside from my parents and work. Molly Chen told the wall street journal. So. There's just basically like women to a great extent are like, they're hearing what the government is saying. They're also like, well aware that their access to reproductive choices being removed.

But they're just not. They're not going to comply. I think this is going to be another lying flat issue. And the, the article does note also that there has been a meaningful decline, not just in births, but in registered marriages. [00:04:00] So they fell from 13 million to 2013 to 6. 8 million in 2022,

Malcolm Collins: 13 million to 6.

8 million. How far apart were those two numbers?

Simone Collins: 10 years? So yeah, 2013. 13 million. 2022, 6. 8 million. So, almost falling in half. Like cutting in half. Holy s**t.

Malcolm Collins: And I was looking to see with all of China's efforts to try to get their fertility rate up again. I couldn't find this year's statistics because Well, here's the name of an article.

China deletes leaked stats showing plunging birth rate for 2023. Cause like how, how bad they do in 2023. Apparently so bad that China is now trying to scrub the internet of how bad they're doing in 2023. I mean We have talked about some things that lead to this in China. Right. One of the things that we've talked about that leads to this in China is just a lack of hope.

You know, like why does Israel have a high fertility rate? Despite you know, it's economic prosperity when, when [00:05:00] Israelis are pressuring other Israelis to have kids. It's not so that the, the entrenched power structure of their country can maintain their, their wealth. It's because they believe they're in an existential battle for their survival.

When the Chinese CCP government tells your average Chinese, you know, teen go have kids that person is like, what? So you can keep. More power and more money, and my family has no real chance of moving up within our society. No, screw you. There is a, no, no, it's true, and, and that is one thing that's causing this.

And another thing that's causing this is a genuine lack of belief that there's hope for the future of the country within China. Which always depresses the country's fertility rate. Another thing that's causing this is the lack of diversity within China. As we've said, you know, the less diversity you have within an area, typically, the lower the fertility rate's going to be.

Especially if you have some conflict within these, these diverse populations, because that spikes fertility rates, because it gives people an understanding of this is who I am, this is who they are, and we are in some form of, of hopefully friendly competition. Yeah, you have a team to root for, whatever.

Yeah, a [00:06:00] team to root for, right? You know, that's how you get people to go crazy at the sports games and everything. So, okay, all that being the case. There is another area where China is really failing, and where South Korea is really failing, and where Japan is really failing, that we

Simone Collins: really need to Well, and arguably the United States and Europe are failing too.

Malcolm Collins: Beginning to, yes, not quite as bad. Yeah, no, it's not

Simone Collins: nearly as bad, but I We need to go there.

Malcolm Collins: It is the conservative attitude with which men are approaching the marriage marketplaces. And when I say conservative attitude, I don't mean conservative, like doing things the way they used to be done. It's conservative in not seating.

Any of the rights that men had historically as they are gaining additional privileges that they wouldn't have had in a historic context. So what do we mean by this? As women [00:07:00] have been able to make their own money, have been able to enter the job market. Particularly within countries like China and South Korea, the men are not letting them out of any housework.

They are not contributing to childcare. They are putting on this, what in the U. S. I think is defined by this ultra Chad aesthetic that to an extent is pushed by individuals like Andrew Tate and stuff like that. And women, when they go out and they want to date and they see the lifestyle that they're going to have with these people, They're just like, no, f**k it.

It's better to

Simone Collins: be single. Yeah, why would you, like, voluntarily Become someone's servant for the rest of your life while you still have to work. Well, and while you still have to take care of your parents in China too, like, you know, like screw that. Like I 100 percent I would not, I would not even consider it.

Like I haven't picked up anything from a Chinese culture or even Korean culture [00:08:00] around marriage, though. I would say that the Korean couples that you and I know. are like really awesome share of the burden, but they're also very modern and then they work together. Um, you know, that's very rare for Korea.

Yeah. Right. They're like the, the only ones we know are like extremely unusual and they're also happy but they're unusual, but I mean, but like, but the, but the typical guy, right. The typical South Korean, the typical Japanese guy, the typical Chinese guy is going to, yeah, just totally not. Like, I, I, I just, I've never seen examples of them being like, yeah, I'll help around the house.

Yeah. I mean like in animes, there are examples of these, like this is romanticized, right? Of like the dad really helping out with a ton of stuff, but I haven't seen it in

Malcolm Collins: reality. And it's worse than that as well. The deal that you are getting as a woman in these countries is even worse than that. So one thing that's really, really common in these cultures.

Is I don't know what word I'd use for it, but whorey. I, when I was working in South Korea was on a number of occasions invited to brothels with [00:09:00] other men. And, and I like, I have a wife and they're like, what does that have to do with anything? They're like, come on, this is like a group bonding exercise.

And I never ended up going. It was a gross to me. I'm like, I don't. I don't find and I've mentioned this before. I have a really high aversion to women with a high body count. Like it's, it wasn't even just a loyalty to my wife.

Simone Collins: Not even aversion to that. You, you lived in the brothel area because it was cheaper.

You don't like, not as it just, you wouldn't want to sleep with. No,

Malcolm Collins: no, no, but I mean a sexual aversion, like I find them very unattractive, no matter how like attractive on their face they are, it's just to me a gross idea, even outside of any loyalty I have to my wife. Within the West, you wouldn't do that.

At a, at a VC firm you would not like approach people at another VC firm and say like, hey, let's go cheat on our wives. Like, even if people cheat in Silicon Valley, even if there are these sex parties and sex parties exist for people in explicitly open relationships, which is common in Silicon Valley, or they [00:10:00] are seen as sort of like a naughty thing that you shouldn't be doing, not like a formalized part of the culture.

And this is so as a woman, you're getting so, so, so little when you marry in these cultures. Really, all you're getting is kids and maybe getting your parents off your back. In fact, that's another really interesting thing was in these cultures, is a huge motivator for marriage and kids is the externality of the parents asking for the grandkids.

And That is something that is not as common in the United States, and I actually think it increases our marriage rate. And people might be like, wait, why would not being constantly pressured by your parents to do something increase the rate at which it happens? And the answer is, imagine if your parents, you know, every week were asking you, are you having enough sex?

Are you having enough sex? Like, have you had sex yet? You'd probably not have sex for a really long time just out of obstinance to your parents. You know, the stage at which you need to do this is the stage that humans have this [00:11:00] natural, biological instinct to rebel, it just sort of distance themselves from their family and build their own life.

I mean, so parents pushing that at that age can cause people to build an additional amount of questioning around this, especially when it's also coming from the government as well. But this also comes to our own country. Right. So many guys are looking at the ways that the marriage market is breaking.

And instead of going out there and saying, okay, well, then I need to find these rare women who are still high quality marriageable material. I am just going to act in this way that is totally degrading of all women. And as we've pointed out many times, it is not that this. Act will not get you sexual partners, it will but it will get you the type of sexual partner, the type of woman who would sleep with a guy who she met randomly because he turned her on, which is generally not the type of woman you want to marry.

The type of woman you want to [00:12:00] marry, and these women are out there because we talk to them, you know, we see them they are the women who desperately want to get involved in some sort of world changing project, but they want that project to be whatever their husband is interested in, and they're looking for a guy that inspires them.

And they're not finding these men anymore. Men who have this huge ambition or level of integrity to make society a better place. And I think this comes because we have forgotten what the actual American Chad was. If you go, and I've been reading a lot of family history recently, a lot of, you know, books about early family members or, or stuff like that, right?

Like about what the men were like, you know, going into World War II, what men were like on the frontier, what their lives were like and the way that their wives interacted and thought about them. And these were men that had earned their wives admiration. There are men today who think that the reason, [00:13:00] historically, their ancestors, women, admired their husbands, were because they had to.

Because they were forced to by society. It was the rules. And it's not that this never happened. But these were the families of the abusive drunkards who like everybody looked down on, right? Like,

Simone Collins: yeah, these were seen as like the low class dysfunctional families or the, the husbands were victims of like literal serial killers who would just find ways to poison them.

Which happened,

Malcolm Collins: right? What are you talking about? I don't

Simone Collins: understand. I, I'm saying that

Malcolm Collins: like, are you referring to a specific incident

Simone Collins: or? Yeah, well, I'm talking about that female serial killer. I don't remember her name. Do you want me to look her up?

Malcolm Collins: I, I, I'm just saying. I'll pull it up and add it in editing.

But yeah, no. So, so you, yeah, you would get these, these like really low class men who were like abusive and demanded respect for their wives, but this was seen as a low class thing. Like nobody respected these individuals. [00:14:00] This is something like weird within our generation. This is what people would call like trailer trash or something like that.

Right. Actual your, your average. Woman who respected her husband, if you're talking like pre WWII period, American colonial period American frontierist period. This was because the man had earned it, through the enormous hardships he went through, that you as a person living in this era, Cannot like, like they're not going to be foisted upon you.

You, you have to seek them out. You have to seek out the trials of making mankind great. And through seeking out those trials, you will attract women. I think a lot of people, when I talk about you know, my early sexual history and stuff like that. One of the things, like, like, just I had enormous sexual success.

You know, high school, college, etc. And people are like, how did this, how did this happen? You know, you do not look like I expect, like, the mega Chad guy to look. But I have always had, like, an intense burning [00:15:00] passion to try to fix society. And, and make the world a better place and plans around how to do that.

And those were the things that attracted women. Now guys are like, Oh, great. Now, how do I fake that? And the problem is, is that if you fake this in order to get women, it won't work. They won't be interested in you. Like they can see through this immediately. You have to actually find something that's meaningful to you and dedicate your life to it.

And, and this also works, you know, if you're dedicating your life to a religious cause or to a, something like that, but It's so funny, you know, people talk about monk mode and stuff these days, right? And, and what they mean when they're talking about this is abstention from things like, you know, whether it's pornography or, or certain types of like fun like video games, stuff like that, right?

And they're just gonna work on a project. Whereas often the projects that they dedicate themselves to are self aggrandizing projects. Which. Defeat the whole purpose of all of this, because that is not what attracts women, is [00:16:00] men who are working on self aggrandizing projects. They are attracted to men who are working on projects for the betterment of society, or for the betterment of a cause that that man truly believes in.

And that you don't need to go monk mode. What you need to do where you need to be superhuman is in your ambition and your confidence and your ability to play a role in that ambitious goal. And this is what defined the early settlers. You know, when you were, you know, reading these old journals of my family, of the, you know, going out into the West, being in these, these environments where everything was against you, you could die at any moment.

Everyone around you was dying all the time. And the amount of mental and moral fortitude each individual had to have. But it led to things like the quote I read before, where he was talking about his mom because my mom always regarded my dad is her personal hero. And that's the thing is men today think that women submitted Out of submission, out of this like instinctual [00:17:00] sexual desire.

Oh yeah.

Simone Collins: Like it's, it is their nature. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of like a, like a, I don't know, a bird flocking into a certain formation. Like, oh, they formed the V because of the streamline and, and like, oh, well the women form submission because it's the, their woman brains, you know, like. Oh

Malcolm Collins: yeah. Which, which I will say women do do that disproportionately within a sexual context.

But you as a guy have to remember the things that turn you on are not the things that affect like what job? Hold on You take or, or, no.

Simone Collins: That doesn't change it though. So like, okay, you can be turned on. By someone being dominant. Just like you could be turned on by someone having giant breasts. But guess what?

If a woman doesn't have giant breasts, is she going to turn you on?

Malcolm Collins: That makes no sense to me, what you just said. A man can be turned on by large boobs, but if a woman doesn't have large boobs, it doesn't turn them on. How does that connect to what you're talking about? It doesn't

Simone Collins: turn on the man. Well, if, if man isn't really dominant, if man isn't dominant in the way that actually makes a woman feel like she could be comfortable [00:18:00] around him and surrender to him completely.

Malcolm Collins: Okay, okay, so what you're saying is these men aren't actually dominant. Okay, I disagree with you here. Strongly, I actually disagree with you.

Simone Collins: So you think women can be turned on by fake

Malcolm Collins: dominance? No, I think that women, the reason why your average woman is turned on by a certain type of dominance, right?

And this is turned on within a sexual context because the women who weren't when their village was raided and all of the men were killed ended up being killed themselves. But this is a completely sexual Thing like this is something that you can do like play in the bedroom or something like that.

But it is not that tied to the way they look for long term partners. That is a different category of what we call dominance in society. So, and we'll talk about this and where I argue that within males and females are sort of 2 different sexualities. That I think apply to both genders. Like, the things that turn a guy on in porn are not the things that they would necessarily be most turned on by doing with their wife.

[00:19:00] And that is because Historically, you know, humans had two sets of evolutionary pressures on the way that they related to their partners. One set of evolutionary pressures was, if I'm raiding a village, am I making sure to impregnate as many people as possible because I'm raiding the village, right?

And women, if I'm in a village that's being raided, am I making sure I'm not putting up too much of a fight and so I actually live? But that sexual optimization is completely different from a this is my approved wife within my community these are my legitimate children within my community and I need to make sure that they are seen as respected and empowered so that I can, you know, intergenerationally move up within status within my community.

These are two completely different sets of selective freshers. And we'll do a full video on this, this. Elsewhere in the evidence for it. But the point being is that men recognize accurately that this sort of like [00:20:00] Raider dominance is something that they can use to get women they meet at bars to sleep with them.

But the. Women who are interested in this form of dominance and who will submit sexually and be like, I'm interested in you as a stranger to, like, just have sex because of this form of dominance are very, very, very bad marriage candidates. And these are exactly the women who will screw you over.

And who will divorce grape you? And the reason that is, is because you are selecting for the type of woman who was the type of woman who would have betrayed her village when it was raided. So of course she betrays you. Of course she goes out and cheats with you when she meets some, you know, dominant acting pool boy or plumber or something like that.

Who's coming over and visiting your house. Like. Of course, that is how you selected her. But then there's the other type of woman who's using a completely different sexual strategy, where she is looking for a hero. Which is, yes, dominant to her in one way, but it is not [00:21:00] necessarily a dominance that is like, immediately turning her on.

Like, some women are immediately turned on by this, but no, this is a woman who's looking for someone To sort of set up shop, as I say you're not a woman, you don't get to, like, set up shop in somebody else's life if your life is failing.

 I mean, it's not like he's a hot girl. He can't just bail on his life and set up shop in someone else's.

Malcolm Collins: But a lot of women actually hone

Themselves as, like, a tool to be a great tool within somebody else's life.

As I say, like, within our relationship, one of the ways that we often talked about our relationship early on was is sort of sword and wielder relationship, right, where Simone had worked to hone herself in to the perfect instrument of my will on the world and, and it was through wielding her that my Thank you.

I wanted to accomplish was in society was possible, but a blade is not going to be interested in a feckless master who only uses it for his own self aggrandizement. It, it, it, [00:22:00] if, if a human being was that thing, if a human being was this sentient blade, they are, they know what their purpose is, which is to help somebody else make them better.

big impact on society, but when a guy's like, oh, blades, I just use those things, right? The blade's like, no, I don't want somebody, I don't want some barbarian I don't want somebody who just uses me to satisfy their own whims. I want somebody who has a righteous mission. And that's, that is what creates the bond and allows the blade to not turn on its wielder.

Whereas or, or, or if the wielder chooses a barbarian blade. Like, you don't want a barbarian blade. A barbarian blade gains its power through, through, through being sharpened at its hilt. It cuts both ways. And so in society, you can go out and look, look for a wife like this, and a lot of men are out there, the women who are looking for, sorry, the women who are looking for these righteous men, they are not finding them.

[00:23:00] And I am seeing this and I'm even seeing this was men that I talked to, you know, a lot of these men, they say, well, I'm going to wait until I'm like extra wealthy. Then I'm going to go out and find a good wife. But that's not looking for a wife who's helping you make your wealth. That's not looking for a wife who's on this journey together with you.

That is saying that once I have this ultra high level of status, I'm going to use it to get a supplicant. And those supplicant wives are really low quality wives the ideal relationship. Yeah and I just keep seeing this from a lot of guys who I think are otherwise like sane and know that they should be going out there and then of course there's like the black pill guys that are just like, there's no women out there that are like this.

There's no women out there that won't betray you. And that's just Like, objectively not true. There are lots of women who have been in long term, stable relationships with somebody. It, it, it may be increasingly true if you're older. Like, if you wait to find a wife until, like, your late 20s. Yeah, okay, that might be true.

But, you know, I guess in society today, somebody's like, But doesn't everybody [00:24:00] wait to find a wife until their late 20s? Not the smart, good men. Those men are laughing at the women long before that because they understand the game.

Simone Collins: Yeah, I guess one, one strategy that could work for men who are older is to get like right on the rebound divorces, like women whose first marriage didn't work out for whatever reason, because

Malcolm Collins: they, maybe I'd be aiming for widows, widows only for me.

Simone Collins: Yeah, I don't know. But I do, I think it's, it's a, it's a two way street. So, I mean, while I am saying. Like guys out there are not delivering something that's worth the hassle for women. Like, why would they bother? Especially like in the U S too, with, with sperm donation. Like, it's just so easy. Like, even if a woman wants to have her own kids, it's super easy to have your own kids as a woman in the U S and be a single mother.

I mean, no, it's, it's, it's hard to be a single mother. Right. But like you can do it. And frankly, with a lot of the men out there. It would, [00:25:00] it seems a lot easier to do that and not deal with the baggage of the guy,

Malcolm Collins: right? But also, I mean, keep in mind, so I say this as guys, women are human beings too. Like, they want their lives to matter.

Very few humans they're at least with any sort of genetic stock that I would be interested in marrying, are going to be genuinely satisfied being a servant to another human. Just to be a servant to another human, human beings who, who gain satisfaction from serving another person, gain it because they believe in that person's mission.

Like ultimately they're serving that person's mission, not that person themselves. Whereas a lot of this sort of I'd say over red pilled mindset thinks that you can get a good wife, like an actual, like really high quality woman. To sacrifice her entire life just in service of you and your vanities.

And a lot of these missions are just vanities. Like, if it's just a company for a company's sake, that's a personal vanity. If it's your, [00:26:00] you know, honing your body for its own sake, that's a personal vanity. And, and you are not going to get the highest quality of women if you are still focused on individual vanity.

And monk mode itself can be a form of vanity if it's not being. Sharpened and focused into some mission.

Simone Collins: Totally. I always sort of took monk mode to be like the male equivalent of like, I'm in my spa detox month or whatever. Like we're like, I'm just taking, this is self care. I have no time for friends right now.

I'm just going to be watching movies. and eating clean and doing Pilates and like, it's just, yeah. What does that mean for the world? And it, I actually do recall now, like, yeah, you, you didn't try to sell me on yourself on our first date. You sold me on your vision for the world. And what we initially came in aligned on was a vision, not on like.

You know, Oh, I think

Malcolm Collins: I sat you down. I said, I'm looking for a [00:27:00] wife. Here's what I want to do. Like, here's, here's the problems I think the world is facing and how I can resolve.

Simone Collins: Yeah. And so I think when nations are looking at demographical apps, it's, we always hammer home this, like it's culture. You have to fix culture.

But a big part of that culture is creating young men and women. Who are worth marrying, who are really

Malcolm Collins: worth marrying and belief in their agency on society. So the problem you have in an environment like China or South Korea is a lot of young men are raised to believe that no matter what they do, they can only be a tool of the system.

When you completely castrate and defang young men you create men that women don't want to marry.

Simone Collins: But beyond that, I think, you know, in China, frankly, I think a lot of women would get married even to men who don't have visions, even if it just, if they weren't. If they weren't a******s and if they actually pulled their weight and if they brought something to the table.

And again, I'm thinking back to like those 1950s, like 1940s [00:28:00] to 1960s guides to life that I'm so obsessed with those little cornet films, instructional videos that they used to show to high school kids. In the dating and relationship videos, a very common theme is like, remember, no one's going to care about you unless you bring your thing to the table.

You know, and for women, it's like, here's how to be a good housekeeper. Here's how to manage the family finances. Here's how to fix clothes. Here's how to make sure the family has the right nutrition. You know, here's how to, and then like for men, it's, it's like, here's, you know, here's how to be polite.

Here's how to budget well. Here's how to You know, be kind to your wife. Here's how to support your family. And like each person was raised culturally to understand that like you have this burden of responsibility to bring something to your relationship. And right now the perspective is totally flipped.

It's well, what about me? What is, what's in it for me? Yeah. What am I getting out of this? And like, no one is thinking, what can I give? What can I give?

Malcolm Collins: So often from, from these men, these like total black piled men who are like all negative on relationships. And like, [00:29:00] it's only about divorce, grape. It's only about et cetera.

And they're like, what do I, as a man get out of marrying a woman? And it's like the moment, like, like, and when, as soon as somebody says that I'm like, I understand why you were graped. Now I get why you got divorced. Because you're the type of person who would see the world like that because you are the type of person who asks how the other person is benefiting you personally, rather than looking for somebody on a combined mission.

And then this is what I'm saying, like, well, how do you know she won't, like, betray you? Because of her, like, instincts, or her womanliness will lead her to betray you, or her self motivation, it's like, bro, like, we're on the same mission, we're on the same quest, there is no reason to betray me so long as I am competently moving towards that quest, there is no temptation for betrayal so long as we are on this mission together her entire life is in service to this mission, like, why would she, like, Betray somebody else who is competently fighting for the same [00:30:00] goal.

It's when you structure yourself as somebody who's asking what do I get out of this? Okay, what, what do I get out of this arrangement? That means the people who you're in an arrangement with are thinking the same thing. What do I get out of this? Because that is a way that you have framed the construction of a relationship, which historically was not what relationships were about.

You did not get into a relationship thinking, what do I get out of this? And so many men today think that. They're like. What do I get? And then, and then they use it for this weird, like, masculine self validation, where they raise themselves up within their own instincts of what it means to be masculine, through the denigration.

Of the women in their lives and their wives. Whereas anything I think that you do to your wife, you should be comfortable having done to your daughter. And if you would not enthusiastically encourage Another man to treat your daughter that way, then you should not be treating your wife that way, because that is the way that your daughters will expect to be treated in their [00:31:00] relationships.

And, and I think a lot of people are like, aren't you worried about when your daughters start dating? Not at all, not at, I mean, if they're out there dating and looking for somebody to change the world with, that's great, you know, do whatever you want with my daughter, if you're working effectively together to, to enact some goal and vision you have for the world.

But the reason why these guys are afraid of people dating their daughters is they're afraid that people will see their daughters the way that they saw their wives, as sexual conquests that are, that's primary utility is how they augment their own status. And, and that branch of humanity if it doesn't die off, will enter the barbarian classes.

As, as, when I talk about the barbarian classes, as people know, we talk about the, the enemies of prenatalism. You have the urban monoculture, which is one of the enemies, but then you have the future problem, which is that most of the high fertility cultural groups these days are technophobic low economically productive.

Like that's how they get their fertility rates high by artificially lowering their income. And very, very xenophobic.[00:32:00] And these are the. future enemy of most of the perinatalist cultures because these are not going to be economically or technologically meaningful groups within the human future. And they just hinder us and or a threat to us.

The, the humans that will one day populate the galaxy. And, and so when I talk about somebody descending to the, the barbarians, you know, that's, that's, they're the people who will be left on Earth as, as the humans that were technologically engaged and economically productive and populating the stars.

There you have it. Anyway, that's why you shouldn't be a Chad. You should be the 1920s, 1910s version of a Chad. Love you to death, Simone.

Simone Collins: I love you too, Malcolm.

Malcolm Collins: Or the brave heart chat. That's a good one.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Brave heart chat that works.

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