James Lindsay on the MAGA Civil War | Ep. 11

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Apr 17, 2026

James Lindsay, author and mathematician known for critiquing 'woke' ideology, joins to dissect a faction he calls the "woke right." He traces intellectual roots from Rousseau to fascist myths. He debates tactics for policing movements versus coalition-building. He outlines a positive vision: Federalist 51, divided powers, high-trust society, and reflects on faith and legacy.

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INSIGHT

Conservative Immune System Is Re-fortifying

James Lindsay argues the conservative movement has a cultural immune system (religion, principle, tradition) that is actively fortifying against subversion.
He traces a turning point around Easter and events like Midnight Hammer and Charlie Kirk's murder that shocked conservatives into recognizing infiltration.

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What The Woke Right Actually Is

Lindsay defines the 'woke right' as people claiming the right who use woke methods: identity politics, cancel culture, and punitive tribalism over truth.
He highlights a Machiavellian methodology plus friend-enemy tribal logic where non-joiners are treated as enemies.

ADVICE

Favor Stewards Over Power-Wielders

Distinguish wielding power from stewarding power; prefer leaders who see office as service, not revenge.
Lindsay warns radicals seek punitive rule and urges personnel selection plus checking institutions to prevent abuse.

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James Lindsay — author, mathematician, and the man who coined the term "woke right" — joins Jeremy Boreing for a wide-ranging conversation on what's really happening inside the conservative movement.

Is the cultural "immune system" of the right holding? Or has a subversive faction — what Lindsay calls the woke right — successfully dressed up leftist methodology in trad clothing and insinuated itself into MAGA? Jeremy and James dig into the methodology, the ontology, and the history: from Marx and Rousseau to Alfred Rosenberg's "Myth of the 20th Century," from Catholic integralism to Carl Schmitt's unbound executive, from the paradox of tolerance to the principle of reciprocal tolerance.

Jeremy presses Lindsay on the question dividing the right: is he rooting out subversives, or is he burning down coalitions the movement can't afford to lose? They spar over Matt Walsh, Chris Rufo, Tucker Carlson, and JD Vance — and where the line sits between exposing bad actors and alienating potential allies.

They also get into James's positive vision: a high-trust society, Federalist 51, divided powers, stewardship of power rather than the wielding of it, and why loving America — warts and all — is the only foundation a real coalition can be built on. And in a rare personal turn, James opens up about faith, agnosticism, the Book of James, and why he doesn't particularly want to be remembered.

A vital conversation for anyone trying to understand the realignment happening on the right in 2026.

00:00 Intro: Has the conservative movement been co-opted?

03:05 What is the "Woke Right"?

11:15 Looking Backward: Marx, the Fascists & the Return to Eden

25:05 Lindsay's Vision: Federalist 51 and the High-Trust Society

42:00 Power, Stewardship, and the Limits of Government

57:00 An Age of Miracles: The Case for American Optimism

01:10:45 The Online War: Matt Walsh, Chris Rufo & Coalition Politics

01:34:19 Tucker, JD Vance, and Building a Positive America

01:41:40 Faith, Legacy, and the Book of James