The Foreign Affairs Interview

The Myths and Realities of Global Migration

Feb 12, 2026
Amy Pope, director general of the International Organization for Migration and former U.S. migration official, discusses the global surge in migration and why current systems are failing. She covers drivers like climate, conflict, and economics. Conversations include smugglers and disinformation, asylum backlogs, labor needs, temporary-worker schemes, and risks if the system keeps breaking down.
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Majority Of Migration Is Regional

  • Most global migrants move legally or within their region, not to Europe or the U.S.
  • Irregular migration is a small proportion but drives disproportionate political focus and resources.
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Post‑COVID Surge And Climate Drivers

  • Post-COVID movement surged and economic shocks in the Americas fueled record irregular flows.
  • Climate shocks now increasingly drive displacement alongside economic migration.
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Refugee Regime Is Outdated

  • The 1940s refugee framework targeted persecution after wartime, not mass economic or climate movement.
  • That narrow definition left modern drivers of migration uncaptured by international law.
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