Transactional Analysis Podcast S5E7: Understanding Organisational TA: Structures, Systems & Culture with Rosemary Napper
In this episode of the Transactional Analysis Podcast, hosts John Fleming and Joshua Okunlola speak with Rosemary Napper, an Organisational Training & Supervising Transactional Analyst (TSTA-O) also qualified in the Counselling and Education fields, whose work has shaped how many practitioners understand TA in workplaces, systems, and organisational life.
This rich conversation explores what TA really offers organisational practitioners beyond ego states, games, and scripts and why the system itself must be understood as the client, not the individual.
Drawing on decades of practice, training, and deep study of Berne’s organisational writings, Rosemary opens up a perspective on TA that is systemic, cultural, and profoundly relevant
You’ll hear them explore:
- Why conflict in organisations is almost never individual issues
- How structures + system dynamics co-create the character (culture) of a system
- What Berne actually wrote about organisations
- How culture becomes introjected into people’s Parent and Child ego states
- How organisational games form, evolve, and repeat over decades
- The ethical pitfalls of individualising systemic problems
- The difference between coaching, counselling, psychotherapy, and organisational TA and why it matters
- What it really takes to create culture change within organisations
Guest Information
Rosemary Napper is a Teaching and Supervising Transactional Analyst (Organisational), also qualified in the Counselling and Education fields. She originally trained in psychotherapy and now has over 30 years’ experience working with organisations and complex systems.
Rosemary is the Director of TA Works, where she works as a writer, trainer and supervisor across the counselling, educational and organisational fields of TA. Her work focuses on the cultures of systems and the inter-cultural dynamics that shape organisational life. She has also spent decades studying Berne’s original organisational writings and leads a three-year advanced Organisational TA training programme.
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