
Speaking of Jung: Interviews with Jungian Analysts Episode 157: Love and Narcissism
Mar 26, 2026
Susan E. Schwartz, Jungian psychoanalyst and clinical psychologist, discusses love and narcissism from a Jungian angle. She contrasts healthy and pathological narcissism and explores cultural drivers like social media. Conversations touch on covert narcissism, envy and projection, therapy that opens narcissists to relationship, and why partners stay in echo dynamics.
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The Crime Dream Reveals Self-Betrayal
- Narcissistic dreams often feature committing a crime; the 'crime' turns out to be against the self—living a falsified life rather than one's truth.
- Schwartz uses this dream motif to show narcissism hides self-deception and a lost search for identity.
Covert Narcissism Is Quiet But Self-Serving
- Narcissism appears on a spectrum from overt grandiosity to covert, quiet self-serving behaviors that masquerade as humility.
- Schwartz describes covert narcissists who please others while hiding needs and fearing being known due to early insecurity.
Letting Go Of A False Self Enables Potential
- The therapeutic aim is not to 'fix' but to enable the narcissistic person to 'psychologically die' to a false position and gain a fuller self.
- Schwartz frames this as surrendering an inflated identity to access potential and responsibility to the world.



