A lot of us wrestle with whether to start a family, or to grow the one we have. Today, Helena de Groot shares her own kid ambivalence — and the messy, intimate, confusing process of getting her husband to believe her wishes around whether or not to become a mom.

(Plus, Hillary shares something she’s never talked about publicly before!)

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Recommendations from the archive

• Should I Have Kids? Follow a former LST producer’s journey as she confronts this big question.

• Fresh Air’s Terry Gross decided not to have kids. Hear her story: Terry Gross on Not Having Kids

• Still having doubts? Listen to The 36 Questions to Ask Your Partner Before Having Kids

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Episode resources

• Hear the rest of Helena’s story in her series Creation Myth, from CBC Podcasts

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When the World Pushes You to Have a Baby (Or Two)