421: Why No Mixed-Gender Sunday School Presidencies? A Gender Equality Slippery-Slope Speculation

Mar 30, 2026

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In this follow up episode on recent LDS news that women are now allowed to serve in Sunday School presidencies, Val & Nathan pivot to the peculiar part of the announcement prohibiting no "mixed-gender" presidencies and share the outcome of their exploration of this odd move.

Upon deeper reflection, the move seems less about worries about slippery slopes towards sexual iniquity and possibly more about preserving another kind of slippery slope--the one that disrupts what some feel is the "natural order of the universe". If a female formally presides over a male in one realm of the LDS church, what could this possibly lead to?

Listen in as we propose that moves of this nature is proof that ultimately an all male priesthood must be surrendered...even if excruciatingly slowly...if the LDS church is going to survive in the long run.

Timestamps:

00:00 Welcome and Context

02:09 Reading the New Policy

02:46 First Reactions and Jokes

04:54 Why Mixed Gender Feels Weird

5:51 Relief Society President and Bishop — Mixed Gender Already Exists

08:21 Loyalist Perspective Brainstorm

09:32 Women Under Men in Leadership

11:09 Nathan's BYU Co-Mission Leader Experience

13:33 Men Under Women and Shame

15:53 Two Existential Questions the Church Dodged

17:14 Presiding and Priesthood Questions