
The Lawfare Podcast Lawfare Daily: Sezaneh Seymour and Brandon Wales on Private-Sector Cyber Operations
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Jul 29, 2025 Sezaneh Seymour is the Vice President at Coalition and a former Senior Adviser on the National Security Council. Brandon Wales serves as Vice President for cybersecurity strategy at SentinelOne, having led CISA. They explore the shifting dynamics of private-sector involvement in offensive cyber operations amid rising cyber threats. The duo discusses the need for a structured framework to define objectives, authorized activities, and legal considerations, while assessing the risks of escalation and the potential benefits of private-sector collaboration in cybersecurity.
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Hackback One Among Many Solutions
- Private sector capability expansion is just one among many complex solutions.
- Open-minded consideration of hackback is timely given security challenges.
Clarifying Strategy Guides Hackback Policy
- Clarifying objectives like capacity, speed, and deterrence guides hackback policies.
- Private sector brings unique data and responsiveness capabilities for U.S. cyber defense.
Balancing Speed and Government Oversight
- Government involvement ranges from ex-ante licenses to case-by-case approvals.
- Tradeoff exists between speed of response and government control of escalation risks.

