The Lawfare Podcast Lawfare Daily: The Fate of Ukraine
Feb 26, 2025
Fiona Hill is a Senior Fellow specializing in foreign policy, particularly concerning Russia and Ukraine, while Constanze Stelzenmüller focuses on transatlantic relations as the Director at the Center on the United States and Europe. Anastasiia Lapatina brings the Ukrainian perspective as an expert fellow. They discuss the historical context of Ukraine's struggles, the shifting U.S.-Ukraine relations, and the resilience of Ukrainians amid ongoing conflict. Their lively conversation highlights urgent geopolitical challenges and the need for a united defense strategy in Europe.
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Birth Under Bombardment
- Anastasiia Lapatina shares the experience of her daughter being born on December 31, 2023, followed by a major Russian aerial attack the next day.
- This anecdote highlights the constant threat and adaptation to war in Ukraine.
Lapatina's Disillusionment
- Anastasiia Lapatina describes being between travel from Kyiv when Trump's policy shift became apparent.
- Her idealized image of the U.S. shattered, leaving her feeling deeply disheartened.
Recurring Cycle of Betrayal
- The U.S. has a history of not fully supporting Ukrainian independence, often viewing Ukraine through a Russian lens.
- This pattern repeats itself, hindering the formation of a coherent Ukraine policy.