WILL AI ROBOTS BE SENTIENT & THE QUANTUM FOUNDATIONS OF CONSCIOUSNESS - Suzanne Gildert PhD #82

Nov 1, 2025

In this discussion, Suzanne Gildert, a quantum engineer and AI researcher, delves into the intriguing intersection of AI and consciousness. She shares her journey from quantum computing to exploring sentient robots, raising ethical questions about their potential experiences. Suzanne also touches on the ties between quantum physics and consciousness, advocating for experimental approaches to test these links. The conversation highlights the need for careful regulation as technology advances, questioning what consciousness truly means in a robotic context.

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Early Exploration Of Biological Substrates

Gildert experimented with neuron-on-chip and organoid ideas early in Novarik.
She left biological routes to specialists while focusing on quantum-based approaches.

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Use Biology As A Comparison Baseline

Biological 'smart' materials make excellent control systems for testing artificial consciousness models.
Gildert plans to compare quantum-augmented AI to biological circuits to measure differences.

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Universe As Self-Knowing System

Gildert frames the universe's 'goal' as knowing itself via individuated pockets of experience.
Biology builds structures that protect larger quantum states, increasing experience richness.

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Why Shift from Quantum Computing to AI and Robotics

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Losing Faith in Materialism After Failing to Build Conscious Robots

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What Working with Qubits Taught About Matter

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Defining Consciousness: What, How, and Why

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Why Build Physics From Quantum First

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Quantum Biology Examples Challenging 'Too Hot, Too Wet'

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Protecting Quantum States in Biology and Labs

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Penrose–Hameroff Overview and Microtubule Evidence

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Testing Quantum–Consciousness Links Versus Two Mysteries

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Does Consciousness Collapse the Wave Function?

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Why Build Sentient Robots: Curiosity and Understanding Minds

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Turing Test Limits and Philosophical Zombies

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Where Goals Come From in AI vs. Life

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Hardware, Sensing, and the Generalization Problem

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Consciousness as Frontier Learning Versus Muscle Memory

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Embodiment Differences: Human Brains vs. Current AI

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Will AI Become Conscious or Merely Imitate It?

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Anthropomorphism Risks and Cultural Reliance on Non-Conscious AI

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Ethics, Rights, and Regulating Consciousness in Robots

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Survival Instinct Reports and Training Data Explanations

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Brain Decoding Studies and Correlations vs. Causation

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Biological Substrates, Organoids, and Higher Consciousness Likelihood

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Using Anesthetics on Neural Tissues as Consciousness Tests

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Is the Biosphere a Technology or Teleological System?

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Quantum Conscious Agent Theory: Inspirations and Ingredients

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Why Quantum Theories Are Testable: A/B Quantum vs Classical

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Building Quantum Conscious Agents and Connecting Outputs to Robots

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Quantum Annealing and Optimization Models

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Agency at the Quantum Level: Pinched-Off Excitations and Bubbles

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Experimental Progress, Controls, and Noise Elimination

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Would Quantum Evidence Prove Panpsychism?

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Buddhism, Individuation, and Larger Conscious Systems

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Next Steps: Understanding Quantum Agents Before Robotic Integration

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Will artificial intelligence robots have subjective experience? What are the ethical and safety implications of such entities? Which quantum physics theory can accommodate consciousness?

In this episode we have the extraordinary possibility of subjective experience and feelings in artificial intelligence robotic systems to think about. So we look at experiments to try and prove if it’s even possible; the quantum building blocks from which both living and artificial systems are made up; the ethical and safety implications of advanced intelligence instantiated in robots, and we get into the controversial search for a quantum physics theory that can accommodate consciousness.

Fortunately, my guest today is not only one of the first pioneering scientists to really devote themselves to the creation of sentient human-similar robot minds and bodies, but is also an experimental physicist working with quantum computing systems. She is of course the quantum engineer, consciousness researcher and AI computer scientist Suzanne Gildert. She has written over 80 scientific papers, founded several successful AI companies and has dozens of US patents for her inventions.

What we discuss:

00:00 Intro.

04:25 Her move to AI & robotics from quantum computing.

06:45 Something missing from materialism.

11:00 The what, how and why of consciousness.

12:20 Remembering quantum fields are the base level of reality.

15:50 Quantum Biology - John Joe McFadden.

18:20 ‘Protecting’ quantum coherence environments.

20:00 The Penrose-Hameroff microtubules quantum consciousness theory.

24:40 The risks of the “two mysteries” argument.

30:10 Looking for subjective experience in AI robots.

33:55 “Reward function”, purpose led, agential behaviour doesn’t emerge naturally in AI.