This edition is one for all you sailors - ahoy! Jane and Fi chat ships and fruity cruises, lemon curd, memorial benches, and charismatic famous people.

Plus, Fi speaks to Rosie Maguire, Policy and Programmes Manager at the Centre for Thriving Places, and Clare Bracey, Director of Policy, Campaigns & Communications at Become, about what happens when private companies operate our care services.

Ending Extraction in the UK Care System is a report that has been jointly put together by researchers at the Centre For Thriving Places, the Centre for Local Economic Strategies, the New Economics Foundation and Co-Operatives UK. You can find it on: www.centreforthrivingplaces.org.

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Our new playlist 'Coiled Spring' is up and running: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4tmoCpbp42ae7R1UY8ofza

Our next book club pick is 'A Town Like Alice' by Nevil Shute.

Our most asked about book is called 'The Later Years' by Peter Thornton.

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Podcast Producer: Eve Salusbury

Executive Producer: Rosie Cutler

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