
PwC's accounting podcast Derivative vs. revenue: Key impacts of new FASB guidance
Mar 31, 2026
Angela Fergason, revenue and compensation accounting partner at PwC, and Bret Dooley, PwC Deputy Chief Accountant for financial instruments, unpack FASB’s ASU 2025-07. They discuss the new derivative scope exception tied to operations. They explain when share-based customer payments fall under revenue versus financial-instrument guidance. They use real-world examples and cover transition and adoption considerations.
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New Scope Exception Narrows Derivative Accounting
- The ASU narrows when derivative accounting applies by adding a principles-based scope exception for contracts tied to a party's own operations.
- Bret Dooley explains it prevents treating R&D funding, litigation financing, and similar activity-linked payouts as derivatives when not decision-useful.
Market Based Features Still Fall Under Derivatives
- The scope exception excludes market‑based underlyings so traditional swaps and commodity exposures remain derivatives.
- Bret Dooley highlights exclusions for market rates, financial asset performance, and indexes to avoid sweeping out vanilla hedges.
Real Contracts That Would No Longer Be Derivatives
- R&D funding, litigation financing, and ESG-linked debt are concrete examples that motivated the scope exception.
- Bret Dooley describes investors repaying based on FDA approval, litigation wins, or emissions targets tied to a company's operations.

