Journey Through Time 32. From Lincoln to Obama: A History of the Special Relationship (Ep 1)
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Sep 25, 2025 David Olusoga and Sarah Churchwell dive into the intricate history of the UK-US relationship, highlighting its complexities during the American Civil War. They explore Barack Obama's perspectives on trust versus fear in society. Discussions reveal surprising British ties to the Confederacy, driven by economic interests in cotton. The podcast unpacks how British capital significantly fueled American growth and how mixed sentiments about the Civil War led to Britain's cautious neutrality. Intriguing insights into diplomatic maneuvers add depth to this historical exploration.
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Special Relationship Is Modern
- The 'special relationship' between Britain and the US is mainly a 20th-century idea rooted in post-WWII politics.
- In the 19th century, presidential visits and an assumed partnership were historically uncommon.
From Euphoria To Fear In Washington
- David recounts interviewing Obama in November 2020 and then encountering a MAGA march in Washington the next day.
- He describes the march as frightening and a prelude to the January 6 attacks.
British Capital Tied To US Growth
- By mid-19th century British capital flowed heavily into the United States, funding railways and cities like Chicago.
- That economic interdependence made the US–UK relationship crucial for Britain's prosperity.
