Rick Fisher addresses China and national security space, the recent Chinese military parade and more.

Sep 19, 2025

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Guest Rick Fisher started out by discussing the current state of space programs, focusing on China's progress and Russia's economic and political situation. Rick explained that Russia's space program is facing financial difficulties, but they are still seeking cooperation with the U.S. on lunar missions. David expressed concerns about China's growing influence in space and the potential risks of Chinese students studying in the U.S. They agreed to explore these topics further in their discussion.

The Space Show hosted a Space Show discussion with Rick Fisher, focusing on the financial challenges facing the Russian space program, particularly Energia. Rick shared that Energia, founded by Korolev in 1946, is in severe financial trouble, as evidenced by a memo from CEO Igor Maltsev in late August 2023, indicating potential closure. The company's inability to meet program deadlines and its overall financial instability were highlighted as significant concerns.

Our guest discussed the ongoing conflict in Ukraine and its implications for international relations, particularly focusing on Russia's financial struggles and its relationship with China. He explained how China could leverage Russia's dependency on them for space exploration, as well as the potential for a strategic pivot in U.S.-Russia relations. Our Space Show audience group discussed the complex dynamics between China, Russia, and the West, including the potential for conflict in the Asia-Pacific region and the strategic importance of oil supplies.

Also discussed was the space race between the US and China for lunar dominance, with Rick explaining that while China is progressing steadily with their lunar program, the US has fallen behind schedule. They explored the strategic importance of the moon, including the potential for militarization and the need for a strong US presence to deter China and Russia. The discussion touched on the Artemis Accords, Gateway station, and the potential for Starlink-type satellites to create a communications network around the moon. Rick suggested that winning the race to populate the moon is more important than just sending people there, and emphasized the need for the US to show strength and leadership in space.

Fisher explained the Chinese moon landing strategy, which involves a two-stage vehicle with a propulsion module that detaches and crashes into the lunar surface, raising safety concerns. David questioned how to sell the importance of space exploration to the American public and suggested that current Artemis mission plans might be too complex to meet the goal of landing on the moon before China. Rick acknowledged these concerns and expressed hope that Secretary Duffy would gather the necessary expertise to make informed decisions about the mission plans.

We went on to discuss the importance of the Starship program for future moon missions, with Fisher emphasizing its critical role in winning the race to populate the moon. Marshall expressed optimism about the double-catch capability of Starship, predicting it could be achieved by Flight Test 13 in February. Rick warned about the competition from Chinese Starships, which could conduct heavy-lift missions to the moon by the mid-2030s, and suggested developing nuclear-powered capabilities for a more economical presence on the moon. The conversation concluded with a brief update on Starship's flight schedule, including Demo 11's suborbital flight later this year and the orbital flight planned for early 2026.

David and Richard discussed the implications of China's military parade, where they showcased advanced weapons systems, including anti-ballistic missile capabilities and nuclear strike systems. Richard explained that China's propaganda aims to assert they now have the world's most powerful military, potentially influencing allies like Japan. He noted that while some Chinese claims about their parade displays are likely accurate, their advancements in strategic defense and offense could pose significant challenges to U.S. missile defense systems, particularly the "Golden Dome" initiative.

The discussion focused on China's development and deployment of unmanned combat aircraft and their broader military modernization efforts, which Rick described as a "shock" due to their advanced capabilities and potential threat to U.S. military superiority. Rick and John agreed that the U.S. had been focusing on the wrong priorities for the past 20 years, particularly in Afghanistan, while neglecting military modernization and arms control agreements. The conversation concluded with a discussion about China's military parade, which revealed their plans for aircraft carriers and a robust space architecture to support global military projection, emphasizing the interconnected nature of space and terrestrial military capabilities.

David and Rick discussed the challenges of Congress's understanding and funding of defense programs, noting a lack of expertise and a focus on social issues over national security. Rick highlighted bipartisan support for key U.S. priorities like helping Israel and Taiwan but criticized the military's failure to anticipate and address emerging threats proactively. John shared concerns about the slow progress in missile development, attributing it to bureaucratic hurdles, and David expressed worry about the future implications of these issues for national security and peace.

We talked about the importance of space exploration and national security expressing concern about the China Challenge and the need to secure interests in the Earth-Moon-Mars system. The Space Show audience agreed to address national security from a different perspective in the next live show with Dean Chang, who recently debated the Wolf Amendment. Marshall and John shared insights on military developments, including the obsolescence of current strategic forces and ongoing efforts to develop new technologies like hypersonic missiles and advanced fighter jets. They also discussed a hypothetical space-based weapon concept and agreed to further explore this topic in an upcoming Sunday Open Lines program on Sunday, Sept. 28.

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