"Art" or "Kitsch" as a Name for Classical Culture? | Jan-Ove Tuv & Martin Romberg

In the modern age, many are confused by the dull and meaningless direction of Western culture. Can it truly be called "Western" or "culture" at all? A clear set of values are more important than ever before. That is why a painter and a composer decided to sit down to discuss two alternative solutions. The painter, Jan-Ove Tuv, argues Larry Shiner's point that Art was a deconstructive 18th century invention and that Kitsch is a game changer that can liberate classical culture from the neurosis of modernism. The composer, Martin Romberg, on the other hand, proposes the concept of "Universal Art" as the solution to our current problems, making a bridge back to Aristotle's Poetics, pointing out that Kitsch is problematic both in terms of connotation and terminology. The discussion could be boiled down to one dilemma: Would you rather be associated with Rothko or a garden gnome? 00:00 What is a classical work? 01:30 Original vs new meaning of Art 09:30 Universal, abstract and conservative art 12:59 The power of words 14:11 Kitsch aligns with classical values 16:57 Do people understand what kitsch means? 19:38 Fight for Art or abandon it? 23:55 Kitsch: a change of connotation, not of content 25:30 Emotional reactions are not valid arguments 27:14 The problem of communicating kitsch 29:48 Timelessness 32:13 Classical craft survives when it is not judged as "Art" 40:35 The craftsman is a fisherman 43:57 Immanuel Kant and the garden gnome This episode featured Jan-Ove Tuv & Martin Romberg and was filmed and edited by Bork Nerdrum The centerpiece was a 19th century reproduction of G. F. Watts' Hope. SHOUTOUT to our TOP SPONSORS! Fergus Ryan Shaun Roberts Matthias Proy Børge Moe Eivind Josten Dean Anthony Alastair Blain Anders Berge Christensen Erik Lasky Iver Ukkestad Jack Entz Warner Jared Fountain Jon Harald Aspheim Marion Bu-Pedersen Maurice Robbins Misty DeLaine Richard Barrett Stacey Evangelista Trym Jordahl Yngve Hellan Would you like to get premium access? Become a patron: https://patreon.com/caveofapelles/ Subscribe to our newsletter. It is the only way to make sure that you receive content from us on a regular basis: https://bit.ly/2L8qCNn Check out our other channels: https://www.youtube.com/c/SchoolofApelles https://www.youtube.com/c/CultureWarsNow Podcast available on SoundCloud, iTunes, and Spotify: https://soundcloud.com/caveofapelles https://spoti.fi/2AVDkcT https://apple.co/2QAcXD6 Visit our facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/caveofapelles Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/CaveOfApelles For inquiries — talk@caveofapelles.com