In the Room with Peter Bergen

Defund or Unleash: What does effective policing look like?

Dec 3, 2024
Charles Ramsey, a longtime senior police leader who led major U.S. departments and chaired policing best-practices work. Rosa Brooks, a law professor and former reserve officer who wrote Tangled Up in Blue about policing and policy. They discuss patrol realities and training culture. They explore alternatives like unarmed crisis-response teams and the importance of community relationships, accountability, and national standards.
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ANECDOTE

Police Chief Joined Protesters To Rebuild Trust

  • Paul Pazin joined protesters during the George Floyd demonstrations to rebuild trust and defuse violence.
  • He marched with organizers, heard a 17-year-old girl's fear, and used that encounter to rethink police-community relations.
INSIGHT

Law Professor Went On Patrol To See Policing Up Close

  • Rosa Brooks became a reserve DC police officer to understand police culture from the inside.
  • Her patrol in the 7th District revealed extremes: boredom, trauma, bizarre calls, and chronic poverty-driven problems.
INSIGHT

Officer Safety Training Creates A Threat-First Mindset

  • Academy training heavily emphasizes officer safety by replaying videos of cops being killed, shaping a constant-threat mindset.
  • That framing primes officers to see threat first and reach for guns when people make innocuous movements.
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