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Sotheby's Talks | How Do Objects Achieve Iconic Status, with Grayson Perry and Xa Sturgis

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Mar 11, 2026
Helena Newman, Sotheby’s auctioneer and market specialist; Xa Sturgis, Ashmolean director and museum curator; Sir Grayson Perry, Turner Prize–winning artist known for ceramics. They debate what makes an object iconic. They trace routes to iconhood from theft and auction lore to museum storytelling. They riff on famous works like The Scream, Warhol’s Marilyn and Frida Kahlo’s rise to poster fame.
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INSIGHT

Museums Often Manufacture Icons

  • Institutions sometimes manufacture icons to simplify marketing and drive visitation.
  • Xa Sturgis describes Göbekli Tepe's museum spotlighting a fragmented mosaic face as a front-image to sell the museum experience.
INSIGHT

Greatness Doesn’t Guarantee Iconhood

  • Being exceptional doesn't equal iconic status; many great works never slip beyond objecthood.
  • Xa Sturgis chose Raphael's drawing because it's superb yet 'not an icon' despite being one of the greatest Renaissance drawings.
ANECDOTE

Messiah Stradivarius Myth And Silence

  • The Messiah Stradivarius is wrapped in myth and silence which fuels its iconic aura.
  • Helena Newman and Grayson Perry discuss its near-pristine preservation and theories about Stradivari's secret varnish and sound.
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